U.S politics, The People's Party, a third way?
Discussion
Just reading about the lack of universal healthcare, rising inequality, working people living in cars, whole cities becoming too expensive to live in and then talks of a minimum wage or basic universal income.
So the Dems have got Trump out.
The Reps don't seem to be taking their lesson.
Whether they'll implode or come back stronger?
The issues for the American people haven't gone away though.
Covid has exacerbated the situation.
Will the Dems pull their country back or sink into a similarly complacent groove that they've followed in the past?
So there's a movement for a new political party - The People's Party. It seems to be more radical and focusing on the problems American society has with regards to wellbeing and inequality but pointing the finger at corporate America and American governments that have not stood up to its excesses. So far there's what you might call a rag-tag bunch of thinkers, celebs and activists involved.
Will they be a non-starter, a flash in the pan or a spark for something new?
https://peoplesparty.org/
So the Dems have got Trump out.
The Reps don't seem to be taking their lesson.
Whether they'll implode or come back stronger?
The issues for the American people haven't gone away though.
Covid has exacerbated the situation.
Will the Dems pull their country back or sink into a similarly complacent groove that they've followed in the past?
So there's a movement for a new political party - The People's Party. It seems to be more radical and focusing on the problems American society has with regards to wellbeing and inequality but pointing the finger at corporate America and American governments that have not stood up to its excesses. So far there's what you might call a rag-tag bunch of thinkers, celebs and activists involved.
Will they be a non-starter, a flash in the pan or a spark for something new?
https://peoplesparty.org/
Fittster said:
I'm no expert on US politics but it's seem interesting/odd that the most high profile, leftwing politician Bernie Sanders is an independent (but seems to be able to act as a member of the Democratic party when it suits.
Was Trump not the same when he ran for the Republican nomination?Perhaps Bernie Sanders sees the Dems as the nearest large powerbase he can call an ally (or my enemy's enemy!). I guess being an independent is not the most powerful position to be in, especially with a nation that largely puts it's weight behind only two parties.
History may see Bernie Sanders as the man America needed but never got.
History may see Bernie Sanders as the man America needed but never got.
It may not just be those typically aligned with the Dems who are pushing for new parties.
These Republicans may form a new centre-right party based on 'principled conservatism'.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/do...
These Republicans may form a new centre-right party based on 'principled conservatism'.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/do...
Guardian article said:
More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of “principled conservatism”, including adherence to the constitution and the rule of law – ideas they say have been trashed by Trump.
Let me throw something really wild at you all:
Trump et al and AOC, Bernie et al suddenly realise that their enemies enemy is their friend. The centrist, authoritarian, globabist, reset, big tech, corporatist (neo fascist...) ways of the current power sharers (the donkey and elephant show) is not what the rust belt folk want and, as it turns out, not what the actual working and middle class on the coastal states actually want.
The so called left-of-left and right-of-right actually have commonality in ideals but haven't quite realised it yet.
Trump et al and AOC, Bernie et al suddenly realise that their enemies enemy is their friend. The centrist, authoritarian, globabist, reset, big tech, corporatist (neo fascist...) ways of the current power sharers (the donkey and elephant show) is not what the rust belt folk want and, as it turns out, not what the actual working and middle class on the coastal states actually want.
The so called left-of-left and right-of-right actually have commonality in ideals but haven't quite realised it yet.
rodericb said:
Let me throw something really wild at you all:
Trump et al and AOC, Bernie et al suddenly realise that their enemies enemy is their friend. The centrist, authoritarian, globabist, reset, big tech, corporatist (neo fascist...) ways of the current power sharers (the donkey and elephant show) is not what the rust belt folk want and, as it turns out, not what the actual working and middle class on the coastal states actually want.
The so called left-of-left and right-of-right actually have commonality in ideals but haven't quite realised it yet.
Trump et al and AOC, Bernie et al suddenly realise that their enemies enemy is their friend. The centrist, authoritarian, globabist, reset, big tech, corporatist (neo fascist...) ways of the current power sharers (the donkey and elephant show) is not what the rust belt folk want and, as it turns out, not what the actual working and middle class on the coastal states actually want.
The so called left-of-left and right-of-right actually have commonality in ideals but haven't quite realised it yet.
They're both representations of the same discontent. I wouldn't say their ideals match, but both Trump and Bernie supporters realise the system itself is broken.glazbagun said:
rodericb said:
Let me throw something really wild at you all:
Trump et al and AOC, Bernie et al suddenly realise that their enemies enemy is their friend. The centrist, authoritarian, globabist, reset, big tech, corporatist (neo fascist...) ways of the current power sharers (the donkey and elephant show) is not what the rust belt folk want and, as it turns out, not what the actual working and middle class on the coastal states actually want.
The so called left-of-left and right-of-right actually have commonality in ideals but haven't quite realised it yet.
Trump et al and AOC, Bernie et al suddenly realise that their enemies enemy is their friend. The centrist, authoritarian, globabist, reset, big tech, corporatist (neo fascist...) ways of the current power sharers (the donkey and elephant show) is not what the rust belt folk want and, as it turns out, not what the actual working and middle class on the coastal states actually want.
The so called left-of-left and right-of-right actually have commonality in ideals but haven't quite realised it yet.
They're both representations of the same discontent. I wouldn't say their ideals match, but both Trump and Bernie supporters realise the system itself is broken.I was thinking about their voter base rather than the individuals.
Trump is an undisguised crook, but his support picked him over him more conventional rival and had a choice of him or More-Of-The-Same Hillary.
Likewise I still remember the audience reaction when Bernie said Hillary must be president.
Centrism has left behind a lot of people in 20 years.
Trump is an undisguised crook, but his support picked him over him more conventional rival and had a choice of him or More-Of-The-Same Hillary.
Likewise I still remember the audience reaction when Bernie said Hillary must be president.
Centrism has left behind a lot of people in 20 years.
glazbagun said:
I was thinking about their voter base rather than the individuals.
Trump is an undisguised crook, but his support picked him over him more conventional rival and had a choice of him or More-Of-The-Same Hillary.
Likewise I still remember the audience reaction when Bernie said Hillary must be president.
Centrism has left behind a lot of people in 20 years.
Yeah I wouldn't think that Trump himself would be holding official position - I'm thinking more a mentor or figurehead in the areas in which he's effective and un-compromised. He would simply be too old for the rigours of putting up a third party and running it. For better or worse Trump himself has a lot of followers and these followers who feel they aren't supported much at all by the core Democrats or Republicans policies and ideals.Trump is an undisguised crook, but his support picked him over him more conventional rival and had a choice of him or More-Of-The-Same Hillary.
Likewise I still remember the audience reaction when Bernie said Hillary must be president.
Centrism has left behind a lot of people in 20 years.
Like the UK, the US system is a "first past the post", inspired by the UK (an old system that might have made sense when the UK electorate was small and limited to local landowners with vested interests).
It lends itself to having only two big parties, with power switching between them periodically.
In many, many countries (some very successful and stable) there are systems of Proportional Representation - different models are available, some better than others.
Third parties have no chance of taking the Presidency or the houses in the US.
It lends itself to having only two big parties, with power switching between them periodically.
In many, many countries (some very successful and stable) there are systems of Proportional Representation - different models are available, some better than others.
Third parties have no chance of taking the Presidency or the houses in the US.
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