Travelling in loading areas of vans
Travelling in loading areas of vans
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Don Veloci

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2,194 posts

310 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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I'm probably just being stupid asking google the wrong questions but I'm struggling to pin down specific laws/rules regarding adults travelling in the loading areas of van.
This popped into my head around hearing weird thinking around sharing transport in these covid times rolleyes

Scenario being adults sitting on wheel arches/tool boxes .etc. No actual built for purpose seating fitted.

Are there specific offences being committed? Who's on the hook - driver/passenger(s)/both?



At the very least, if something goes wrong I expect there some legal and insurance implications.

Oceanrower

1,358 posts

141 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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Unsafe load?

Cat

3,134 posts

298 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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Regulation 100 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regs 1986.

and

Section 40A(c) of the Road Traffic Act 1988

Cat

Edited by Cat on Tuesday 16th February 09:51

Don Veloci

Original Poster:

2,194 posts

310 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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So basically the driver is on the hook.

Wondering how that translates into fixed penalties/see you in court/what offence code appears on a licence, or would it be different type of conviction?


Cat

3,134 posts

298 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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If dealt with by way of fixed penalty it's 3 points and £100 penalty. If dealt with through the court system it's 3 points or a discretionary ban, fine could be up to £2500 in court. If it is a second offence within 3 years it a mandatory ban. CU50 endorsement code on your licence.

Cat

TooLateForAName

4,925 posts

213 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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Insurance invalid as well?

Cat

3,134 posts

298 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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TooLateForAName said:
Insurance invalid as well?
No

Cat

Don Veloci

Original Poster:

2,194 posts

310 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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Cheers.

Turning to the insurance side, I suspect any insurance company would take an interest in chasing the driver in relation to any claim relating to the unsafe passenger(s).

Rob_125

1,930 posts

177 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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So yeah totally illegal, and not worth the risk. However it is legal to bolt seats in and go...dont think you even legal need seatbelts, or windows.

55palfers

6,368 posts

193 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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If you are transporting folk in the van for work, the HSE could have a view in the event of an accident too.

wibble cb

4,148 posts

236 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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So now is not the time to admit to being transported in the back of a pickup on the motorway, while holding onto a swing set( I was about. 14 at the time)....this didn’t happen.

fooman

1,221 posts

93 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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As a child I used to be transported in the back of a ex GPO van on a unbolt seat with no seat belt. Probably would have been terminal if the van hit something... Wouldn't consider it now...

XCP

17,697 posts

257 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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I used to be taken to cubs, along with about 5 others, in the back of someone's dads Morris Minor van. Never did me any harm etc etc ...

TheBALDpuma

5,940 posts

197 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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In my teens I was a pheasent beater for a few summers. Myself and the other dozen or so beaters were loaded into the back of a yellow Mercedes Sprinter with some loose hay bails to sit on. The doors would close and it would be pitch black and we'd get transported to the next drive 5-10 minutes away, where we'd be bundled out to go scare some birds

gazza285

11,136 posts

237 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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Back in my guitar hero days we used to chuck the gear in the van so it was as flat as possible, then a couple of piss stained double mattresses on top, then set off round Europe for months at a time, three in the front, and up to five in the back. Happy days.

The singer had a seemingly endless supply of piss stained mattresses, I never did find out where he got them from.

Bigends

6,155 posts

157 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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We moved from London to the Shires back in the mid 60's . Me, dad, two brothers and a bull terrier in the back of the furniture truck with all of our worldly belongings. Kids didnt stay sat on the setee for long, had great fun running round in the back of the truck, chased by the dog, getting thrown all over the place as we drove round corners - happy days

944 Man

1,952 posts

161 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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TooLateForAName said:
Insurance invalid as well?
No matter how much people repeat it, or want it to be so, this isnt a thing.

shed driver

3,068 posts

189 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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Not always a good idea.

Not safe for work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oau0Kjm2Cc8&ab...

SD.

bimsb6

8,763 posts

250 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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A mate of mine transported another mate on a roof rack rolled up in carpet from luton to southend on a piss up , the car was full and he really wanted to go , nearly froze to death .

MitchT

17,117 posts

238 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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Many years ago I used to hang out with a band who gigged frequently in venues all over the region. I looked after the tech stuff for them. Our "tour bus" was a van with leather sofa which we had on "long term loan" from a nightclub in the back. I recall one squeaky bum moment when we were going up a hill and the sofa slid back against the rear doors and almost opened them. Those were the days hehe