Uber drivers - Supreme Court rules they are "Workers"
Uber drivers - Supreme Court rules they are "Workers"
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Original Poster:

46,984 posts

218 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56123668

Is this necessarily a good thing for the drivers? I'm not sure how "Workers" differs from "Employees" but doesn't this mean they now get taxed at source and will potentially have less flexibility than if they were classed as "Employed". Or is it the best of both worlds?

The Mad Monk

10,967 posts

139 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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This ruling will now apply to all "self employed" minicab drivers - won't it? So the Addison Lees and Fred's Cabs under the railway arches will all be in the same boat.

Saweep

6,703 posts

208 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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The Mad Monk said:
This ruling will now apply to all "self employed" minicab drivers - won't it? So the Addison Lees and Fred's Cabs under the railway arches will all be in the same boat.
And deliveroo/dominos drivers etc too one would think.

Quite a seismic spot of news, this.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

132 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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The key points were;

Uber set the fare which meant that they dictated how much drivers could earn
Uber set the contract terms and drivers had no say in them
Request for rides is constrained by Uber who can penalise drivers if they reject too many rides
Uber monitors a driver's service through the star rating and has the capacity to terminate the relationship if after repeated warnings this does not improve

If other agencies don't utilise / fall foul of the same ways of constraining their "employees", then application to other gig managers then may not be same for all.

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Original Poster:

46,984 posts

218 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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So if they're "workers" are they now PAYE?

Jasandjules

71,895 posts

251 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Countdown said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56123668

Is this necessarily a good thing for the drivers? I'm not sure how "Workers" differs from "Employees" but doesn't this mean they now get taxed at source and will potentially have less flexibility than if they were classed as "Employed". Or is it the best of both worlds?
A worker does not have certain rights such as SSP, Tupe protections, maternity leave (OML and AML along with paternity and shared), Paid time off etc but fundamentally no rights unfair dismissal or redundancy payments etc.

hyphen

26,262 posts

112 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Uber has been accused of "short-changing" UK drivers by only committing to paying the minimum wage while they have a passenger.

https://www.itpro.co.uk/business/business-operatio...

ScotHill

3,859 posts

131 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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To show what a y business Uber are, here's another example:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56583428 -Uber ordered to pay $1.1m to blind woman refused rides

"An independent arbitrator ruled Uber's drivers had illegally discriminated against her due to her condition.

It rejected Uber's claim that the company itself was not liable, because, it argued, its drivers had the status of contractors rather than employees."

All of the spoils and none of the responsibility, fk that.

hyphen

26,262 posts

112 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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ScotHill said:
To show what a y business Uber are, here's another example:
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In the UK we have had cases where some taxi drivers wouldn't take guide dogs neither, as culturally some people don't like dogs. So was it Uber, or certain rogue drivers not obeying the law?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshir...

hyphen

26,262 posts

112 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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Uber drivers union striking tomorrow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10060663/...