Gigabit FTTP
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FunkyGibbon

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3,863 posts

294 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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This week we found out that we have to move house. Bit of a PITA to be honest, but we have found a new property near by so will be moving in less than a month's time.

The bonus is that FTTP is available with speeds quoted at 1Gb down and up to 220Mb up (from BT Wholesale checking site). This is vastly better than the 4G broadband we currently have (best is 60Mb down and 30Mb up!)

Prices are not bad either. Zen £62.99 month, BT £59.99 / month - which is only 2.99 - 5.99 more than I'm paying for my multiple 4G sims.

Is there any benefit with going with Zen over BT? I don't need the FRITZ!Box 7530 Wifi Router that comes with Zen.

Is there any other provider to consider - most of the consumer broadband sites max out at 64Mb down.

I will have some redundant 4G routers as well if anyone would be interested.

TIA

FG

anxious_ant

2,626 posts

109 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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I've recently upgraded to BTs 900 Ultrafast package. Average download speeds of 950Mbps and upload of 150Mbps. Kind of wish BT would make their line symmetrical but hey ho.

Like you've mentioned, it's a great price and the reliability (touch wood) had been very good. The Smart Hub 2 that comes with the package works really well and I've also have 2 blank Whole Home discs before I've upgraded which I am using.

This has been a blessing for working from home, loving it. Do I really need 900Mbps? Probably not, but nothing beats downloaded huge game files in less than 10 minutes smile

Beaware though that you'd probably expect around 450Mbps down at most on WiFi unless you are upgrading to some serious gear.

normalbloke

8,945 posts

249 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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Why are the upload speeds so different from the download? Genuine question.We are in the process of having Hyperoptic FTTP installed( see my other posts) and it’s symmetrical, apart from the 1 gig package only guarantees 900mps upload.

markiii

4,323 posts

224 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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on copper it was down to how they divided the available frequency sprectrum.

I guess they decided that consumers need more download and less upload so designed FTTP to be dimensioned in a similar way

FunkyGibbon

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3,863 posts

294 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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anxious_ant said:
Be aware though that you'd probably expect around 450Mbps down at most on WiFi unless you are upgrading to some serious gear.
Thanks - most of my stuff is 1Gbs wired and the the Asus Ai Mesh has max throughput of 1733 Mbs - not that I have any clients that can accept that. 873Mbs is the most I've seen on a client device.

Glad to hear you have no issues with the BT 900 package.

anxious_ant

2,626 posts

109 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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FunkyGibbon said:
Thanks - most of my stuff is 1Gbs wired and the the Asus Ai Mesh has max throughput of 1733 Mbs - not that I have any clients that can accept that. 873Mbs is the most I've seen on a client device.

Glad to hear you have no issues with the BT 900 package.
873Mbps is really good for WiFi smile
I’m fawning over the ASUS Zen AX Whole Home mesh kit myself but that would just be too frivolous.

robsdesk

219 posts

162 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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I'm with Zen on the 900/110 service, static IP has been the main reason I've stayed with them, not required but useful for some testing / lab work.

FunkyGibbon

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294 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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robsdesk said:
I'm with Zen on the 900/110 service, static IP has been the main reason I've stayed with them, not required but useful for some testing / lab work.
Ah - didn't realise they gave static IP. That would mean I could cancel my DDNS service and actually save some money.

robsdesk

219 posts

162 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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Yep, their support is pretty decent too - we had an issue with our regrade (openreach related), they stayed on it and pushed openreach to sort it, was impressed with their approach.

LooneyTunes

9,466 posts

188 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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We have 300 down and wired to high traffic devices. Personally I wouldn’t bother with gigabit unless you have a lot of high bandwidth concurrent usage and/or the cost difference is negligible.

Without a doubt our heaviest clients are the gaming consoles and the rate limiting factor when downloading new games seems to be the server at the other end! Usually runs in the 60-180 range according to the monitoring app (wired connection before anyone blames it on WiFi limits!)

FunkyGibbon

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294 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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LooneyTunes said:
We have 300 down and wired to high traffic devices. Personally I wouldn’t bother with gigabit unless you have a lot of high bandwidth concurrent usage and/or the cost difference is negligible.
Difference between 300 and gigabit is £13/month - or on real-terms for me an extra £6/month above what I'm currently paying for my 4G connections - which max out at 60Mbs.

Overkill - perhaps, but to me a bargain.

robsdesk

219 posts

162 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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The faster upload on the 900 service was the reason I upgraded, with two of us working from home full time at the moment we use the bandwidth & yeah it's cheap (£60/month compared to the £4500 I haven't spent in the last year on a season ticket).

TonyRPH

13,546 posts

198 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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robsdesk said:
The faster upload on the 900 service was the reason I upgraded, with two of us working from home full time at the moment we use the bandwidth & yeah it's cheap (£60/month compared to the £4500 I haven't spent in the last year on a season ticket).
Have you actually checked to see if you are using all that bandwidth?

My wife and I are also working from home on a 60/20 (actually getting 52 / 18 or so) and I can shove huge files up to my web server whilst she's on a video conference call and the call is simply not affected. The same goes for downloading.



Funk

27,738 posts

239 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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I'm just in the process of agreeing cable routes outside the block I'm in - CityFibre have put gigabit in outside and Zen are offering 900/900 for £40/month so it's a bit of a no-brainer as I pay £25/mo for Plusnet at the moment and get around 50/18.

robsdesk

219 posts

162 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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TonyRPH said:
Have you actually checked to see if you are using all that bandwidth?

My wife and I are also working from home on a 60/20 (actually getting 52 / 18 or so) and I can shove huge files up to my web server whilst she's on a video conference call and the call is simply not affected. The same goes for downloading.
Yeah, router shows us thrashing it at times, Mrs works in learning & seems to create many large videos to upload. My team and I live in teams & the SharePoint service behind it, that'll happily take things as fast as you can send them, & it's cheap so...

TonyRPH

13,546 posts

198 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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robsdesk said:
TonyRPH said:
Have you actually checked to see if you are using all that bandwidth?

My wife and I are also working from home on a 60/20 (actually getting 52 / 18 or so) and I can shove huge files up to my web server whilst she's on a video conference call and the call is simply not affected. The same goes for downloading.
Yeah, router shows us thrashing it at times, Mrs works in learning & seems to create many large videos to upload. My team and I live in teams & the SharePoint service behind it, that'll happily take things as fast as you can send them, & it's cheap so...
Makes our usage look super light!

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vaud

59,717 posts

185 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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Zen customer service is supposed to be very good.

bobthemonkey

4,209 posts

246 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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vaud said:
Zen customer service is supposed to be very good.
No supposed about it.

They are bloody fantastic - and seemed to be able to even get Openreach to do stuff in a timeline (albeit that I ended up paying for) no other supplier could commit to.

ETA - I’ve only had ADSL and FTTC fibre from Zen, so no direct experience of this exact product.

Would also add that the Fritz box kit is very good - well worth the premium over the BT branded stuff.

Edited by bobthemonkey on Saturday 20th February 21:21

FunkyGibbon

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294 months

Sunday 21st February 2021
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anxious_ant said:
I’m fawning over the ASUS Zen AX Whole Home mesh kit myself but that would just be too frivolous.
That would be my next upgrade when I have some (any) WiFi 6 devices. The Asus stuff just works IMHO.