Martin McGuinness
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The UK government should have recognised the Irish were nothing but trouble and abandoned the country to it's own destiny when Ireland narrowly avoided all out civil war in the 1920s by partitioning into a politically divisive north and south.
Regrettably they didn't, and the deeply entrenched political and religious devisions that descended into terrorist violence costing thousands of innocent lives as well as billions of British taxpayers pounds during the Troubles has dominated Irish politics ever since.
I'm more inclined to build a wall between the UK and Ireland myself, rather than talking about digging a bloody tunnel between the two countries...
Regrettably they didn't, and the deeply entrenched political and religious devisions that descended into terrorist violence costing thousands of innocent lives as well as billions of British taxpayers pounds during the Troubles has dominated Irish politics ever since.
I'm more inclined to build a wall between the UK and Ireland myself, rather than talking about digging a bloody tunnel between the two countries...
I like the way some British blame the Irish for the trouble caused by the British getting involved in Ireland.
To be honest, as people of these islands, we have far more in common than we have differences. Maybe we would be better off promoting this aspect of our relationship rather than acting like an uninformed bigotted idiot.
To be honest, as people of these islands, we have far more in common than we have differences. Maybe we would be better off promoting this aspect of our relationship rather than acting like an uninformed bigotted idiot.
Jaguar steve said:
The UK government should have recognised the Irish were nothing but trouble and abandoned the country to it's own destiny when Ireland narrowly avoided all out civil war in the 1920s by partitioning into a politically divisive north and south.
Regrettably they didn't, and the deeply entrenched political and religious devisions that descended into terrorist violence costing thousands of innocent lives as well as billions of British taxpayers pounds during the Troubles has dominated Irish politics ever since.
I'm more inclined to build a wall between the UK and Ireland myself, rather than talking about digging a bloody tunnel between the two countries...
So many inaccuracies, where to begin?Regrettably they didn't, and the deeply entrenched political and religious devisions that descended into terrorist violence costing thousands of innocent lives as well as billions of British taxpayers pounds during the Troubles has dominated Irish politics ever since.
I'm more inclined to build a wall between the UK and Ireland myself, rather than talking about digging a bloody tunnel between the two countries...
I recall reading that the Irish civil war of the 1920s saw far more Irish deaths caused by Irish than the relatively limited war of independence from the UK cause by the British (nasty as it was)
Following the truce that ended the war, the winners fell out, with a small subset not liking the outcome of elections, deciding they were "right", and continuing the fighting against clauses in the independence treaty they didn't agree with. Ironically the British dropped many of those clauses a few years later anyway.
The legitimate Irish govt then turned to the UK for weapons, and in doing so, gave up the opportunity to renegotiate the northern Ireland settlement.
The phrase "one man's terrorist...." has been well demonstrated over the years.
Now the colonial era and freedom fighting is mostly behind the UK, a northern Irish flat mate at uni insisted the presence of armed militias was very much about the control of crime: money laundering, drugs, prostetution, porn, gambling etc. So like many UK cities, but with guns and Balaclavas.
Yet the political flag waving gave it a veneer of being something it wasn't.
I would hope another couple of generations of prosperity would see the conflicts largely forgotten...in the same way Lancashire and Yorkshire have mostly stopped hating each other.
Following the truce that ended the war, the winners fell out, with a small subset not liking the outcome of elections, deciding they were "right", and continuing the fighting against clauses in the independence treaty they didn't agree with. Ironically the British dropped many of those clauses a few years later anyway.
The legitimate Irish govt then turned to the UK for weapons, and in doing so, gave up the opportunity to renegotiate the northern Ireland settlement.
The phrase "one man's terrorist...." has been well demonstrated over the years.
Now the colonial era and freedom fighting is mostly behind the UK, a northern Irish flat mate at uni insisted the presence of armed militias was very much about the control of crime: money laundering, drugs, prostetution, porn, gambling etc. So like many UK cities, but with guns and Balaclavas.
Yet the political flag waving gave it a veneer of being something it wasn't.
I would hope another couple of generations of prosperity would see the conflicts largely forgotten...in the same way Lancashire and Yorkshire have mostly stopped hating each other.
Jaguar steve said:
The UK government should have recognised the Irish were nothing but trouble and abandoned the country to it's own destiny when Ireland narrowly avoided all out civil war in the 1920s by partitioning into a politically divisive north and south.
Regrettably they didn't, and the deeply entrenched political and religious devisions that descended into terrorist violence costing thousands of innocent lives as well as billions of British taxpayers pounds during the Troubles has dominated Irish politics ever since.
I'm more inclined to build a wall between the UK and Ireland myself, rather than talking about digging a bloody tunnel between the two countries...
Absolute batsRegrettably they didn't, and the deeply entrenched political and religious devisions that descended into terrorist violence costing thousands of innocent lives as well as billions of British taxpayers pounds during the Troubles has dominated Irish politics ever since.
I'm more inclined to build a wall between the UK and Ireland myself, rather than talking about digging a bloody tunnel between the two countries...
t mental.You are aware of why the divisions exist in the first place? Hint; it wasn't the Irish, who are apparently 'nothing but trouble'........
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