Trying to unpack my situation.
Discussion
Hi all.
Looking for some help and advice about my current working situation.
I relocated back to the UK late last year after getting a promotion into a new global role for a large corporate. Obviously this was made seriously difficult due to Covid and put immense strain on myself and the family with the move.
Towards the end of last year I started getting bad feedback from my boss telling me that I have been underperorming ever since taking on the role.
It got so bad that at the end of the year my boss threatened my job and said if things didn't improve i would be out the door by the end of Feb.
Just before the threats he did give me the opportunity to move back to a former role which I was very good at and was well respected. I refused as I really wanted this role to work.
After the threats I got in such a state which ended up in me being on anxiety meds and seeing a councilor to deal with the stress and anxiety of potentially loosing my job.
I also registered a complaint with HR and I didn't hear anything more on the subject.
At the start of this year. I was informed of a new role that had opened up which was basically my old role but here in the UK and was told by multiple people across the business I should apply and I would be the best candidate.
I now find out that my application has been rejected without even being offered an interview. My current boss explains to me that the interviewing manager didn't want to consider me due to my historical engagements with him and my apparent poor performance in my new role over the last year.
to be honest I feel so drained and fed up and I'm trying to keep doing what I am doing to rebuild my reputation which I feel has been tarnished by my new boss.
however it gets to the point where I just wonder if I have been given a really bad reputation in this new role, after having such a successful record before.
it feels like I am now in a toxic environment and need to look for something else, but feel as if I am being forced out.
Any thought and feedback folks?
Looking for some help and advice about my current working situation.
I relocated back to the UK late last year after getting a promotion into a new global role for a large corporate. Obviously this was made seriously difficult due to Covid and put immense strain on myself and the family with the move.
Towards the end of last year I started getting bad feedback from my boss telling me that I have been underperorming ever since taking on the role.
It got so bad that at the end of the year my boss threatened my job and said if things didn't improve i would be out the door by the end of Feb.
Just before the threats he did give me the opportunity to move back to a former role which I was very good at and was well respected. I refused as I really wanted this role to work.
After the threats I got in such a state which ended up in me being on anxiety meds and seeing a councilor to deal with the stress and anxiety of potentially loosing my job.
I also registered a complaint with HR and I didn't hear anything more on the subject.
At the start of this year. I was informed of a new role that had opened up which was basically my old role but here in the UK and was told by multiple people across the business I should apply and I would be the best candidate.
I now find out that my application has been rejected without even being offered an interview. My current boss explains to me that the interviewing manager didn't want to consider me due to my historical engagements with him and my apparent poor performance in my new role over the last year.
to be honest I feel so drained and fed up and I'm trying to keep doing what I am doing to rebuild my reputation which I feel has been tarnished by my new boss.
however it gets to the point where I just wonder if I have been given a really bad reputation in this new role, after having such a successful record before.
it feels like I am now in a toxic environment and need to look for something else, but feel as if I am being forced out.
Any thought and feedback folks?
I hear you. Just worried about trying to find something else. havnt been in the job market for about 10 years now and wouldn't even no where to start.
Also don't no if I need to stick to what I know or find something else.
finding something else could mean a massive reduction in my pay which I am really worried about.
Also don't no if I need to stick to what I know or find something else.
finding something else could mean a massive reduction in my pay which I am really worried about.
Playings devil's advocate, you weren't performing, your manager warned you - giving you an opportunity to improve and instead you went sick and put a complaint in. He even gave you an easy way back to old role.
It is likely not as black and white as that, but I'd also guess neither is your version. When you are in that situation you can either go under, or come back fighting and prove him wrong - which is exactly what he would have wanted. I do know how crippling anxiety is, but I don't think you've helped yourself.
To salvage it before looking for another role, I'd sit down with the manager, explain you've been struggling but really want to work at this and ask for suggestions on what you could do better - what are his expectations. Then take the challenge - it sounds like a well paid role so there is an expectation of high capability. Going off sick can feel like the only option but in reality it makes things worse - you give up control and things are likely to be magically fixed in your absence, people will likely just write you off (hence no interview).
Good luck!
It is likely not as black and white as that, but I'd also guess neither is your version. When you are in that situation you can either go under, or come back fighting and prove him wrong - which is exactly what he would have wanted. I do know how crippling anxiety is, but I don't think you've helped yourself.
To salvage it before looking for another role, I'd sit down with the manager, explain you've been struggling but really want to work at this and ask for suggestions on what you could do better - what are his expectations. Then take the challenge - it sounds like a well paid role so there is an expectation of high capability. Going off sick can feel like the only option but in reality it makes things worse - you give up control and things are likely to be magically fixed in your absence, people will likely just write you off (hence no interview).
Good luck!
Has the poor performance been quantified? Or has it been vague feedback?
I'd be of a mind to take differing approaches depending on which it is.
If the former, identify how the shortfall can be addressed. Work towards having a defined plan. That will help your mental fatigue also.
If the latter, you're working for an arse. Life's too short. Move roles. Its painful but short-term pain. Obviously money is a concern for you, but again its usually something that can be adapted to. A quiet beer on a sunny day in your own back yard is miles better than a fine expensive wine at a corporate do, surrounded by gobs
tes.
M.
I'd be of a mind to take differing approaches depending on which it is.
If the former, identify how the shortfall can be addressed. Work towards having a defined plan. That will help your mental fatigue also.
If the latter, you're working for an arse. Life's too short. Move roles. Its painful but short-term pain. Obviously money is a concern for you, but again its usually something that can be adapted to. A quiet beer on a sunny day in your own back yard is miles better than a fine expensive wine at a corporate do, surrounded by gobs
tes.M.
Ask fore a meeting with your boss.
Ask him to set aside 1 hour.
Ask him to clearly define your role, job spec etc.
Ask to define his expectations of you.
Ask where he feels you have not been performing the job role satisfactorily , or to his level of expectations.
You need to set a bench mark of expectations, be they achievable or not.
Good luck, and try not take any time off, knuckle down and get the job done, or look elsewhere.
Ask him to set aside 1 hour.
Ask him to clearly define your role, job spec etc.
Ask to define his expectations of you.
Ask where he feels you have not been performing the job role satisfactorily , or to his level of expectations.
You need to set a bench mark of expectations, be they achievable or not.
Good luck, and try not take any time off, knuckle down and get the job done, or look elsewhere.
ozzuk said:
Playings devil's advocate, you weren't performing, your manager warned you - giving you an opportunity to improve and instead you went sick and put a complaint in. He even gave you an easy way back to old role.
It is likely not as black and white as that, but I'd also guess neither is your version. When you are in that situation you can either go under, or come back fighting and prove him wrong - which is exactly what he would have wanted. I do know how crippling anxiety is, but I don't think you've helped yourself.
To salvage it before looking for another role, I'd sit down with the manager, explain you've been struggling but really want to work at this and ask for suggestions on what you could do better - what are his expectations. Then take the challenge - it sounds like a well paid role so there is an expectation of high capability. Going off sick can feel like the only option but in reality it makes things worse - you give up control and things are likely to be magically fixed in your absence, people will likely just write you off (hence no interview).
Good luck!
I was never given the opportunity to improve. Geedback was non existent.It is likely not as black and white as that, but I'd also guess neither is your version. When you are in that situation you can either go under, or come back fighting and prove him wrong - which is exactly what he would have wanted. I do know how crippling anxiety is, but I don't think you've helped yourself.
To salvage it before looking for another role, I'd sit down with the manager, explain you've been struggling but really want to work at this and ask for suggestions on what you could do better - what are his expectations. Then take the challenge - it sounds like a well paid role so there is an expectation of high capability. Going off sick can feel like the only option but in reality it makes things worse - you give up control and things are likely to be magically fixed in your absence, people will likely just write you off (hence no interview).
Good luck!
Hes the type of boss that if you were struggling with a project he would take it away and do it himself rather than talking through it and trying to come uo with a solution.
I never went off sick and continued to work.
We have tried to sot down to figure out the best way forward, but he often ends up loosing his patience giving crap feedback and then never following up with anything.
He has since placed someone else in a role in between us so he can manage me. However its apparent that he also has no time for me based on the feedback he got from the big boss.
But maybe that is my own fault.
I have tried, but I'm just not well suited to the role as I was in my previous role.
It was made more difficult as I was thrown into the role during covid with no training and very little feedback kn what to do as we were barely able to jnteract.
Register1 said:
Ask fore a meeting with your boss.
Ask him to set aside 1 hour.
Ask him to clearly define your role, job spec etc.
Ask to define his expectations of you.
Ask where he feels you have not been performing the job role satisfactorily , or to his level of expectations.
You need to set a bench mark of expectations, be they achievable or not.
Good luck, and try not take any time off, knuckle down and get the job done, or look elsewhere.
Doesn't help when I'm now going on paternity leave for 3 weeks lolAsk him to set aside 1 hour.
Ask him to clearly define your role, job spec etc.
Ask to define his expectations of you.
Ask where he feels you have not been performing the job role satisfactorily , or to his level of expectations.
You need to set a bench mark of expectations, be they achievable or not.
Good luck, and try not take any time off, knuckle down and get the job done, or look elsewhere.
Mortarboard said:
Has the poor performance been quantified? Or has it been vague feedback?
I'd be of a mind to take differing approaches depending on which it is.
If the former, identify how the shortfall can be addressed. Work towards having a defined plan. That will help your mental fatigue also.
If the latter, you're working for an arse. Life's too short. Move roles. Its painful but short-term pain. Obviously money is a concern for you, but again its usually something that can be adapted to. A quiet beer on a sunny day in your own back yard is miles better than a fine expensive wine at a corporate do, surrounded by gobstes.
M.
very vague feedback, to the point where I have spoken to other co tributary in the business and never get the feedback direct from the horses mouth and more shock from my peers.I'd be of a mind to take differing approaches depending on which it is.
If the former, identify how the shortfall can be addressed. Work towards having a defined plan. That will help your mental fatigue also.
If the latter, you're working for an arse. Life's too short. Move roles. Its painful but short-term pain. Obviously money is a concern for you, but again its usually something that can be adapted to. A quiet beer on a sunny day in your own back yard is miles better than a fine expensive wine at a corporate do, surrounded by gobs
tes.M.
DD
I am very sorry to hear what you’ve been going though...this sort of treatment on top of what we’re all trying to deal with must be and is evidently very hard.
Everything in life does have a ‘term’ and maybe after 10 years this part of your career has reached a natural conclusion with that firm...and like the end of most things it will be messy.
Do you have sufficient resources to hold out whilst you look for something new? As that is my tuppence...get out now, head held high..with a negotiated settlement. For whatever reason the trust is broken on both sides..
I am very sorry to hear what you’ve been going though...this sort of treatment on top of what we’re all trying to deal with must be and is evidently very hard.
Everything in life does have a ‘term’ and maybe after 10 years this part of your career has reached a natural conclusion with that firm...and like the end of most things it will be messy.
Do you have sufficient resources to hold out whilst you look for something new? As that is my tuppence...get out now, head held high..with a negotiated settlement. For whatever reason the trust is broken on both sides..
DueDil said:
would never leave a job without having something else in play.
This is very easy for me to say as I don’t know your circumstances, but taking a break between jobs..having a period where you answer to no one, don’t have to be anywhere and can truly wind down...and then back up, is a rare opportunity worth taking. Another thing...if you choose to proactively resign.. regardless of how you feel, do it with good grace and professionally... no flounces, acerbic parting shots etc..
Having previously taken moved companies, to a role that I then struggled with, to the point that I wanted to die, and to the point that I knew I was being managed out, I'd say leaving without a job, under your own terms makes it easier to get the next job.
It's stressful not having the income coming in, but at least you know what the worst case scenario is.
In both cases, I ended up much happier (for a few years at least) in a role that i was more suited to, with a manager that was much more in tune with my motivational highs and lows, and took time to understand my strengths and weaknesses. (One of which is optimism and never wanting to say no)
One regret was that at one point I could have said, no, you are right, I can't do this job, I'll take the sideways and downward move, to consolidate my position and understand more about the business first.
I also look back at the managers and know that they were 75% to blame.
It's stressful not having the income coming in, but at least you know what the worst case scenario is.
In both cases, I ended up much happier (for a few years at least) in a role that i was more suited to, with a manager that was much more in tune with my motivational highs and lows, and took time to understand my strengths and weaknesses. (One of which is optimism and never wanting to say no)
One regret was that at one point I could have said, no, you are right, I can't do this job, I'll take the sideways and downward move, to consolidate my position and understand more about the business first.
I also look back at the managers and know that they were 75% to blame.
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