Sturgeon vs Salmond
Poll: Sturgeon vs Salmond
Total Members Polled: 179
Discussion
I sincerely, fervently, earnestly hope for the first one - Nicola resigns, SNP suffers meltdown.
However, the cynic and defeatist in me suspects it will be the last one - Saga continues until election then forgotten.
The wider media are disinterested, and the legions of cybernats are battle hardened to defend Mammy Sturgeon no matter what - up to and including implications of wilfully misleading parliament. She can do no wrong in their eyes, and is the only one to lead them into the May election battle. She has also surrounded herself with a loyal cabal who are unlikely to betray her. It is rumoured that much of this case was instigated by one of the alphabet women, who as an accuser is granted the right to anonymity, and with that the right to redact swathes of incriminating testimony on the grounds of 'jigsaw identification'...
However, the cynic and defeatist in me suspects it will be the last one - Saga continues until election then forgotten.
The wider media are disinterested, and the legions of cybernats are battle hardened to defend Mammy Sturgeon no matter what - up to and including implications of wilfully misleading parliament. She can do no wrong in their eyes, and is the only one to lead them into the May election battle. She has also surrounded herself with a loyal cabal who are unlikely to betray her. It is rumoured that much of this case was instigated by one of the alphabet women, who as an accuser is granted the right to anonymity, and with that the right to redact swathes of incriminating testimony on the grounds of 'jigsaw identification'...
I voted that the saga will continue.
What I hope is the the SNP implodes and the divisions they keep trying to cause in society can heal.
If that does not happen could Westminster withdraw the laws on devolution and intervene to force the rule of law.
If non of that happens could we have a referendum on the question of the UK expelling Scotland from the Union or letting them carry on as is.?
What I hope is the the SNP implodes and the divisions they keep trying to cause in society can heal.
If that does not happen could Westminster withdraw the laws on devolution and intervene to force the rule of law.
If non of that happens could we have a referendum on the question of the UK expelling Scotland from the Union or letting them carry on as is.?
clockworks said:
I'd be quite happy for them to get independence. Save us a fortune I think, and it'd keep her off the telly once it was done and dusted.
Do we actually know what the annual on-cost of supporting Scotland (Barnett + whatever other subsidies are in the public arena) is ? If so, will someone please publish it here ?Salmond is, as we say here, "at it". He's trying to distract everyone from his appalling behaviour but the conspiracy theory he is peddling is beyond ludicrous.
It suits the Unionist parties to play along with it, but everyone knows deep down that Nicola hasn't done anything wrong. It won't make any difference to the election result.
It suits the Unionist parties to play along with it, but everyone knows deep down that Nicola hasn't done anything wrong. It won't make any difference to the election result.
That's quite a take. Why then has the Crown office only redacted the sections of his testimony that incriminate Sturgeon's inner circle?
Why spend £76k coaching civil servants to give evidence?
This whole thing reeks of corruption. Salmond is, by his own lawyers admission, "an arse hole" (that is a direct quote), however he was acquitted.
Where I believe you are correct is this will not impact the election. The SNP has core support that will elect anything wearing a yellow rosette. Nowhere is this more true than some of the motley crew they send down to Westminster. Truly horrible bunch of people with Ian Blackford's horrific campaign against Charles Kennedy a particularly dark chapter.
Why spend £76k coaching civil servants to give evidence?
This whole thing reeks of corruption. Salmond is, by his own lawyers admission, "an arse hole" (that is a direct quote), however he was acquitted.
Where I believe you are correct is this will not impact the election. The SNP has core support that will elect anything wearing a yellow rosette. Nowhere is this more true than some of the motley crew they send down to Westminster. Truly horrible bunch of people with Ian Blackford's horrific campaign against Charles Kennedy a particularly dark chapter.
AAGR said:
clockworks said:
I'd be quite happy for them to get independence. Save us a fortune I think, and it'd keep her off the telly once it was done and dusted.
Do we actually know what the annual on-cost of supporting Scotland (Barnett + whatever other subsidies are in the public arena) is ? If so, will someone please publish it here ?(Bats
t crazy and very, very bitter, the lot of them - recommend avoid at all costs!)weebaws said:
That's quite a take. Why then has the Crown office only redacted the sections of his testimony that incriminate Sturgeon's inner circle?
Why spend £76k coaching civil servants to give evidence?
This whole thing reeks of corruption. Salmond is, by his own lawyers admission, "an arse hole" (that is a direct quote), however he was acquitted.
Where I believe you are correct is this will not impact the election. The SNP has core support that will elect anything wearing a yellow rosette. Nowhere is this more true than some of the motley crew they send down to Westminster. Truly horrible bunch of people with Ian Blackford's horrific campaign against Charles Kennedy a particularly dark chapter.
Why spend £76k coaching civil servants to give evidence?
This whole thing reeks of corruption. Salmond is, by his own lawyers admission, "an arse hole" (that is a direct quote), however he was acquitted.
Where I believe you are correct is this will not impact the election. The SNP has core support that will elect anything wearing a yellow rosette. Nowhere is this more true than some of the motley crew they send down to Westminster. Truly horrible bunch of people with Ian Blackford's horrific campaign against Charles Kennedy a particularly dark chapter.
She's a massive liar and had the brass neck to use her Daily Propaganda Cavalcade to defame Salmond and the verdict handed down by the jury, calling his allegations 'wild conspiracy'; when conspiracy is actually what her husband was involved with, blethering on their whatsapp group about getting the Met to pursue allegations of sexual harassment/assault because it would put Salmond under pressure.JohnBRG said:
Salmond is, as we say here, "at it". He's trying to distract everyone from his appalling behaviour but the conspiracy theory he is peddling is beyond ludicrous.
It suits the Unionist parties to play along with it, but everyone knows deep down that Nicola hasn't done anything wrong. It won't make any difference to the election result.
Why not just get everything out in the open then? Rather than suppress, redact, delay and generally hinder the evidence and process?It suits the Unionist parties to play along with it, but everyone knows deep down that Nicola hasn't done anything wrong. It won't make any difference to the election result.
She's GOT to go. The Salmond issue is a scandal. The bigger scandal is that she's had an hour long party political broadcast every day for a year, and we're heading into an election where she's essentially banned campaigning by other parties, via the various restrictions. Embra is our pretendy wee capital but it might as well be Stockholm.
I think it will break her in the end. Only question is how long she holds on for, and how big the fallout is. I'm hoping for a proper scorched earth, SNP spilt, indy f
ked result.AAGR said:
clockworks said:
I'd be quite happy for them to get independence. Save us a fortune I think, and it'd keep her off the telly once it was done and dusted.
Do we actually know what the annual on-cost of supporting Scotland (Barnett + whatever other subsidies are in the public arena) is ? If so, will someone please publish it here ?
JohnBRG said:
Salmond is, as we say here, "at it". He's trying to distract everyone from his appalling behaviour but the conspiracy theory he is peddling is beyond ludicrous.
It suits the Unionist parties to play along with it, but everyone knows deep down that Nicola hasn't done anything wrong. It won't make any difference to the election result.
Even if his theory is ludicrous, there are still things Nicola has clearly done wrong.It suits the Unionist parties to play along with it, but everyone knows deep down that Nicola hasn't done anything wrong. It won't make any difference to the election result.
Presided over an "unlawful and unfair" internal inquiry (the court's description, not Salmond's)
Fought a judicial review she knew she was going to lose thereby costing the taxpayer £500,000.
Refused to provide documents when instructed to do so by parliament, apparently under the impression parliament answers to her not the other way round.
Arranging for witnesses to be coached at public expense.
Claiming, ludicrously, to have forgotten about a meeting in which she was told there were serious allegations against Alex Salmond.
That's before you consider that she might have been in some way connected to emails sent out by the SNP to try and solicit further complaints against Salmond, a move described by one recipient as a 'witch hunt'. Or to the email from Peter Murrell discussing the need to put pressure on the police to bring more charges against Salmond. Or the possibility that the Crown Office, run by a member of her cabinet and also involved in withholding evidence, may not be totally independent of the government or the SNP.
The big issue here is not what happened to Alex Salmond., even if his claims are correct. The really big issue is the way the Crown office and police Scotland seem to be regarded as responsible to the SNP rather than parliament, and parliament as a nuisance to be ignored.
Scottish politics at its absolute best / worst... I doubt that NS has done anything directly wrong herself, and that's why/how she will always retain her view that she has nothing to hide. However, she has left herself vulnerable to acts people around her have taken on their own initiative to "protect" or "support" her and their cause. This they have done to try to ensure that she stays in place, and their patronage is not disturbed. Sadly this extends as far as her husband, Peter Murrell.
It is likely that one or more of these people will have overstepped the mark. This will come out under investigation. Once the cracks in the dam show, those with less to lose will quickly switch sides and sing like canaries to protect their own futures, and the house of cards will collapse. This is how politics works.
NS will maintain that she (personally) has done now wrong, and will cling to whatever judgement substantiates this. But she is at fault for having allowed the weak culture to develop around her.
The wider issue is that the weakness of the devolved administrations is being revealed. It's a flawed model as there has been little or no challenge (from local media and - it seems - local justice systems) to Sturgeon, Drakeford and co in their patronage aligned fiefdoms. Something will have to be done about this.
It is likely that one or more of these people will have overstepped the mark. This will come out under investigation. Once the cracks in the dam show, those with less to lose will quickly switch sides and sing like canaries to protect their own futures, and the house of cards will collapse. This is how politics works.
NS will maintain that she (personally) has done now wrong, and will cling to whatever judgement substantiates this. But she is at fault for having allowed the weak culture to develop around her.
The wider issue is that the weakness of the devolved administrations is being revealed. It's a flawed model as there has been little or no challenge (from local media and - it seems - local justice systems) to Sturgeon, Drakeford and co in their patronage aligned fiefdoms. Something will have to be done about this.
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