Air to Air Intercooler - Advise please

Air to Air Intercooler - Advise please

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StuB

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6,695 posts

240 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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I've got a supercharged 2.8 BMW M52TU (dual vanos) running a Vortech V2SQ at 6 p.s.i. boost, seeing me to about 285 bhp.

Looking to increase boost to 7 p.s.i. (>300 bhp) and have been advised by ESS (the original supplier) to fit an intercooler. Their i/c sits on top of the engine and would require the removal of the strut brace - not an option for me.

I've looked at a number of a/a intercoolers and want a few pointers from anyone in the know, answers or views on the following;

Does the i/c sit between the air filter and the s/c or is it between the s/c and the throttle? Need to know to plan the routing. My guess is that it'd be more thermally efficient on the pressure side (after heat addition on compression)?

Are there any 'icing' problems to be expected running an i/c? I get a lot of issues on my bike which runs CV carbs and don't want this hassle with the car.

What tips can I get with respect to mounting the i/c? The car's a Z3 (no jokes please) and there's plenty of space in front of the rad behind the bumper.

I'd be happy to visit a few scrappies to look, but don't know what cars have suitable i/c's that would fit nicely behind the front bumper.

Anyone recommend a good source of large bore silocone hose/pipe? Not much available in Halfrauds etc.

Thanks

Stu

deltafox

3,839 posts

233 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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Intercooler needs to be sited with its flow path between the outlet (compressed side) of the supercharger/turbo and the inlet of the throttle body.

Preferably fit the i/c at the front of the car in front of the radiator (if possible) to get a cool air supply.

Large diameter hoses (silicon) and clamps etc at Demon Tweeks at Wrexham is one source.

Im sure someone else will be along shortly to provide futher assistance.

stevieturbo

17,268 posts

248 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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As stated, between blower and TB.

Do you want to buy new, or used ?

Cars like Skyline, Evo have prettty nice intercoolers as standard.

As you are using very low boost, you could also consider looking at some lorries/vans. eg Merc Sprinter, VW's LT range, Renault etc. Some of them do have pretty good size IC's and you might even get some useful plumbing too.

There are a multitide of suppliers of Samco style hosing, but it isnt cheap. If you can find a stainless steel supplier, you can buy "dairy" bends in various sizes, which you can cut and weld together. Superb quality full flow bends.

And despite its bad points, dont forget ebay for IC cores. There are some pretty cheap cores that will work perfectly well. The typical one is about 12" high, 24" wide with 3" pipes in and out of each side. ( core dimensions ).
They arent as good as some cores available, but Ive used them on cars making 500bhp, and Ive seen guys in the US using them on cars with a lot more. So they seem to work OK.

Matt_FP

3,402 posts

250 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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Stu,

Drop me a mail, pref with some photos of space and component locations and I'll draw you a design up.

Best Regards
Matt

love machine

7,609 posts

236 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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www.lyons-it.co.uk/photo/Intercoolers/index.html

That's an index of what you can get at scrapyards. Personally I like the idea of the non packed design usually seen on TDs.

StuB

Original Poster:

6,695 posts

240 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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Thanks Guys.

Will look at dimensions possible now I know what to do about pipe routing. I have the car out today so will take some pics & send them soon Matt. I'll also look at prices in scrappies to compare with new/e-bay.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

237 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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have you tried Vortechs web site? they may have some coolers specificaly for your motor! and if they dont have air to air cooolers they may have some water to air once!

thanks Chris.

andygtt

8,345 posts

265 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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also try here for a site almost dediacted to boosted BMW's.

http://boostedbimmers.invisionzone.com/index.php?act=idx

StuB

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6,695 posts

240 months

Tuesday 12th July 2005
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No BMW applications on the Vortech wesbite, but lots of bumf about why Air/Water are better (but I think there's a big weight/packaging issue here).

I'll keep looking at air/air for now and see what happens when we get it on a dyno again.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

237 months

Tuesday 12th July 2005
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have you tried pace products? they have some univerdsal (i think) intercoolers that might work. also have a look for a Ford siera 4DW intercoolers. they are small but suport upto about 400bhp!

Chris