adjusting anti roll bars
adjusting anti roll bars
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911nutter

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1,916 posts

278 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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any know how to do it on a gt2? is it a relatively easy diy job that you could do trackside?

DaGinge

6,740 posts

276 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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Presume it is the same as a GT3 - fairly easy although you have to take the wheels off - both of them, so you need to lift 2 sides at a time.

Some pics and basic instructions here:
www.porschaforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4060

Just be sure you know what you want to achieve with this, I have experimented a lot and wouldn't like have to done this at trackside as it can give unexpected results.

911nutter

Original Poster:

1,916 posts

278 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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right, that's very usefull. i take it that you have the same settings either side (it wasn't clear whether you left one side on default and one side on softest).

i also assume the front and rear look the same, and that the softest settings are at the outside end?

also what would you have as a track set up? i think mike knivett had his softened by one holes at the rear and hardened by one hole at the front? is this right?

mike?

bueller?

anyone?

anyone?

aceparts_com

3,724 posts

268 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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Silly question but What are you trying to achieve?

A setting for one person may not be the setting for you! There's a lot that can be done with the nut behind the wheel before you need to start adjusting the car....

SpeedYellow

2,533 posts

254 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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If the front bar has been be slacked and the rear tightened that will reduce understeer and promote more oversteer....

Be careful playing with the anti roll bars on their own as less front and more rear would normally mean that you'd need a bit more camber on the front as they will roll more and you need to keep the same footprint of rubber on the road.

aceparts_com

3,724 posts

268 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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[quote=SpeedYellow]If the front bar has been be slacked and the rear tightened that will reduce understeer and promote more oversteer....

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The same as braking deeper into the corner.....

SpeedYellow

2,533 posts

254 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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But with it changed you'd have to be very brave to brake deeper into the corner without a spin now...

911nutter

Original Poster:

1,916 posts

278 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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aceparts_com said:
Silly question but What are you trying to achieve?

A setting for one person may not be the setting for you! There's a lot that can be done with the nut behind the wheel before you need to start adjusting the car....


this is absolutely correct, as with all other comments in the post. i am merely looking to experiment with the car with various set ups that are easily adjustable.

the reality of the situation is that the nut behind the wheel needs some lessons.

i have been talking about this at lunch and lessons will start tomorrow with adjustments much later down the line when i actually know what the car is saying to me and i have better control of it.

thanks for the response though.

aceparts_com

3,724 posts

268 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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Basically (open to correction here) but the firmer the anti roll bar (closer hole to the bar) then the more you will be transfering spring pressure from the unladen (inside wheel) to the outside wheel which will have the effect of a stiffer spring on the outside wheel.

Generally stiffer bar at the back - more oversteer
Stiffer bar at the fron - more understeer

mart1n

68 posts

278 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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DaGinge said:
you have to take the wheels off - both of them


Are you sure about this? One of mine came undone (GT3RS) and I replaced the nut without even jacking the car up. Looks to me like you could adjust them in 10 mins just by reaching underneath.

mikeknivett

138 posts

255 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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my was changed to hardest at the rear and softest at the front, was total crap in the wet as per my goodwood report, they have now reduced by one each end and am looking forward to seeing how it feels tomorrow at bedford, the guys from camtune adjusted it at goodwood, if u are as useless as me at mechanics dont try it if u have half a brain then didnt seem to difficult, are you there tomorrow?

DaGinge

6,740 posts

276 months

Friday 8th July 2005
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911nutter said:
i take it that you have the same settings either side (it wasn't clear whether you left one side on default and one side on softest).

Yes, to be clear, the bar can only move once both sides are undone, and they can onlt be set to the same settings.

Front and rear are the same except front has 5 settings and rear has 4.

The further you are from the bar then the softer it gets.

Henry-F

4,791 posts

272 months

Saturday 9th July 2005
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aceparts_com said:
Generally stiffer bar at the back - more oversteer
Stiffer bar at the fron - more understeer


Not strictly the case. If you soften the bar at the back then that can induce body roll oversteer as the momentum of the car`s roll carries through and brings the back round.

It`s a complicated business this car set up thing !

Henry

DaGinge

6,740 posts

276 months

Saturday 9th July 2005
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mart1n said:

DaGinge said:
you have to take the wheels off - both of them



Are you sure about this? One of mine came undone (GT3RS) and I replaced the nut without even jacking the car up. Looks to me like you could adjust them in 10 mins just by reaching underneath.

They shouldn't be loose enough to be done by hand, generally a socket & spanner job, hence why the wheels need to come off - to get enough access to tighten properly.

Porsche4life

1,164 posts

252 months

Tuesday 12th July 2005
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I won't be far behind you as i will be tracking the GT2 in August.

My plan is to put the settings back to factory minus the camber settings for the Corsa's , set the pressures to 2bar front 2.5bar rear hot, then find out what the car wants to do.

From then on, it will be a decision about toe, ride height, roll bar and tyre pressure.

I agree with the comment that your can drive around a lot with the Porsche, power on understeer i had with 993TT, cured with more -ve camber and zero toe to the front, courtesy of ninemeister, could have gone more aggressive but you still need a wet/dry set up in UK.

Let me know how you get on...