Rishi Sunak's support for business has been arbitrary.
Poll: Rishi Sunak's support for business has been arbitrary.
Total Members Polled: 49
Discussion
I have cause to occasionally move amongst the entertainment profession, many of whom are amongst those spouting their displeasure at the lack of support afforded them - actors, musicians, etc.
However, when you examine how they previously went about earning their living, you find a very high number operating off-book and informally. The way I see it, the government can only direct support to those who they know exist on the system and to those that have contributed to the system that is now supporting them. That's not arbitrary - it's the only option.
However, when you examine how they previously went about earning their living, you find a very high number operating off-book and informally. The way I see it, the government can only direct support to those who they know exist on the system and to those that have contributed to the system that is now supporting them. That's not arbitrary - it's the only option.
C350Akra said:
My personal opinion is that this government is doing a really good job, looking around the world there are very few countries that are anything like near the level of support as in the UK.
Seconded. Yet the news is mostly interviews of people complaining about something.C350Akra said:
My personal opinion is that this government is doing a really good job, looking around the world there are very few countries that are anything like near the level of support as in the UK.
Now imagine the near future, when the pandemic is over, and the inevitable unemployment kicks in following the furloughs, at the same time the brexit rug has been pulled out from under the economy. Which way do you think we're going then? In what way is that showing the government doing a good job? How do you envisage economic growth and recovery in those circumstances? What are the government plans to avert this seemingly inevitable crash/depression?Simpo Two said:
Seconded. Yet the news is mostly interviews of people complaining about something.
News is pretty much only ever negative stuff, depressing really. The UK scheme looks ok, certainly better than many other countries. I still find the US the craziest one really, the leaders of the free world don't seem to really give a stuff about helping their own people.C350Akra said:
My personal opinion is that this government is doing a really good job, looking around the world there are very few countries that are anything like near the level of support as in the UK.
I suppose it depends where you work and how much you earn. Furlough has helped my employer loads but seems like it’s open to abuse but then it had to be brought in quickly and it’s difficult to fit all situations and keep everyone happy.Some on here thing furlough should stop, some think it’s a job saver, some think it’s delaying the inevitable, some think it’s not enough.
Same with all the other types of grants etc.
Personally I’d be getting more under the French and German schemes but everyone’s circumstances are different. I think overall Sunak is doing a great job and hope he replaces Boris.
El stovey said:
Personally I’d be getting more under the French and German schemes but everyone’s circumstances are different. I think overall Sunak is doing a great job and hope he replaces Boris.
They both thought brexit was a good idea. I'm not convinced I trust either of them to make economic decisions which are in our best interests.ElectricSoup said:
Now imagine the near future, when the pandemic is over, and the inevitable unemployment kicks in following the furloughs, at the same time the brexit rug has been pulled out from under the economy. Which way do you think we're going then? In what way is that showing the government doing a good job? How do you envisage economic growth and recovery in those circumstances? What are the government plans to avert this seemingly inevitable crash/depression?
What would your plan be if you were the PM?The people voted to leave the EU; that is not down to government. Covid is a pandemic, nobody voted for it and it's not the fault of any government except possibly China.
The old saying was 'Events, dear boy, events'. The modern version is 's
t happens'. You clear it up as best you can.Simpo Two said:
ElectricSoup said:
Now imagine the near future, when the pandemic is over, and the inevitable unemployment kicks in following the furloughs, at the same time the brexit rug has been pulled out from under the economy. Which way do you think we're going then? In what way is that showing the government doing a good job? How do you envisage economic growth and recovery in those circumstances? What are the government plans to avert this seemingly inevitable crash/depression?
What would your plan be if you were the PM?The people voted to leave the EU; that is not down to government. Covid is a pandemic, nobody voted for it and it's not the fault of any government except possibly China.
The old saying was 'Events, dear boy, events'. The modern version is 's
t happens'. You clear it up as best you can.Plus, on brexit, they didn't have to choose this hardest of all brexits. There was no mandate for that from the referendum. Had we left but remained in the CU and SM, we'd not be so badly off now. They did not have to wreck the economy so ferociously. And it is unfortunate for us, the people of the country, that this has coincided with the pandemic disaster. Of course that's jolly convenient for Johnson/Sunak to hide behind now whilst the economy disintegrates for more reasons than the pandemic alone.
Their actions, the actions of the governing party for the last 11 years, are ultimately responsible for the scale of these "events" and their consequences. And I do not trust them to clear it up.
RedWhiteMonkey said:
I still find the US the craziest one really, the leaders of the free world don't seem to really give a stuff about helping their own people.
Helping them?! Forget that, they aren't even protecting them against death from COVID! They are opening up and sod the death rate. It's mind blowing.We're a leading economic power and have done everything we can to reduce deaths and support the economy. The future might not be rosy but what the hell is it looking like for everyone else without this??!!!
overunder12g said:
I dread to think what it would be like under Jezza et al.
What, you think they'd have taken a less, shall we say, "Socialist" approach than has been taken by Sunak/Johnson? Interesting idea. They'd certainly have mitigated eocnomic problems by implementing a softer, more business friendly form of brexit.
Wasn't it Boris Johnson who famously said "f
k business"? Well, he has. Got to give him credit for sticking to his word. The Tories have abrogated all thought of being the "business" party.Frimley111R said:
Helping them?! Forget that, they aren't even protecting them against death from COVID! They are opening up and sod the death rate. It's mind blowing.
Is it?Their per-capita covid death rate has been lower than the UK for most of the time, and when it was higher it was not by much at all, all while keeping their country operating significantly more than us.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=US...
1. The government didn't vote for Brexit, but those at the top of the current government are very, very much responsible for the position Brexit currently has us in.
2. I'm in support of furlough. Without furlough we'd have millions more unemployed and all on benefits - receiving less money than they are now, further hurting the economy. At least this way we're giving people benefits with the hope that some will still have a job at the end of it. No one can be certain just how quickly the economy may bounce back. But my opinion is that allowing companies to bring their existing employees back immediately can only be a good thing.
3. I agree that Rishi's support has been arbitrary. As someone else said, it's all about headlines. At least some of it has had some substance.
4. I don't think Labour would have done things too differently in all honesty, at least with regards to business. I do think they would have dealt with lockdowns and the health side of the pandemic much better though.
2. I'm in support of furlough. Without furlough we'd have millions more unemployed and all on benefits - receiving less money than they are now, further hurting the economy. At least this way we're giving people benefits with the hope that some will still have a job at the end of it. No one can be certain just how quickly the economy may bounce back. But my opinion is that allowing companies to bring their existing employees back immediately can only be a good thing.
3. I agree that Rishi's support has been arbitrary. As someone else said, it's all about headlines. At least some of it has had some substance.
4. I don't think Labour would have done things too differently in all honesty, at least with regards to business. I do think they would have dealt with lockdowns and the health side of the pandemic much better though.
Dromedary66 said:
Frimley111R said:
Helping them?! Forget that, they aren't even protecting them against death from COVID! They are opening up and sod the death rate. It's mind blowing.
Is it?Their per-capita covid death rate has been lower than the UK for most of the time, and when it was higher it was not by much at all, all while keeping their country operating significantly more than us.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=US...
I think there are several loopholes that are simply not fair.
For the last few years, I have been working two jobs alongside each other. One in restaurants, one in music as a touring musician. The restaurant work makes up around 2/3 of my income.
Firstly the government would not cover tronc payments, even though the treasury committee recommended they did. It makes up about 40% of my restaurant salary, and I pay tax on it (of course I do, it goes through PAYE). At no point do I think the government has given a valid reason for this, if it were cash tips I would completely understand, but it all goes through the books and is taxed. I have never actually agreed with the tronc/tip system and think it is outdated, but it's not like there is a choice.
As you can see, I'm already massively down on my main income stream, as the furlough amount is nowhere near 80%.
Then we come to the music work, it pays me a decent salary every year and I do everything by the book when it comes to my finances. Needless to say, I haven't had a proper live gig since last February. Unfortunately, because over 50% of my salary comes from my PAYE job I can't claim any of this money. I'm not sure why this rule is in place, I know several people that supplement their income with sideline businesses or are musicians/actors. Why should we be punished because we don't earn all our money through PAYE?
I find it quite depressing that I am thankful that the deal on a flat I nearly bought in December 2019 fell through. There are plenty of people out there worse off than me, but it feels like I have spent the last few years working hard just to end up feeling like I'm back where I started at 16.
I have served plenty of the cabinet members in the restaurant I work at, I'm not sure what reception they expect when they start eating out again.
For the last few years, I have been working two jobs alongside each other. One in restaurants, one in music as a touring musician. The restaurant work makes up around 2/3 of my income.
Firstly the government would not cover tronc payments, even though the treasury committee recommended they did. It makes up about 40% of my restaurant salary, and I pay tax on it (of course I do, it goes through PAYE). At no point do I think the government has given a valid reason for this, if it were cash tips I would completely understand, but it all goes through the books and is taxed. I have never actually agreed with the tronc/tip system and think it is outdated, but it's not like there is a choice.
As you can see, I'm already massively down on my main income stream, as the furlough amount is nowhere near 80%.
Then we come to the music work, it pays me a decent salary every year and I do everything by the book when it comes to my finances. Needless to say, I haven't had a proper live gig since last February. Unfortunately, because over 50% of my salary comes from my PAYE job I can't claim any of this money. I'm not sure why this rule is in place, I know several people that supplement their income with sideline businesses or are musicians/actors. Why should we be punished because we don't earn all our money through PAYE?
I find it quite depressing that I am thankful that the deal on a flat I nearly bought in December 2019 fell through. There are plenty of people out there worse off than me, but it feels like I have spent the last few years working hard just to end up feeling like I'm back where I started at 16.
I have served plenty of the cabinet members in the restaurant I work at, I'm not sure what reception they expect when they start eating out again.
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