E-Tron indicated range @ 100% charge

[355fiorano]

I picked up an e-tron last weekend from a main dealer. Its one year old with c 16k miles.

When I picked it up it was showing 190 mile range. I assumed the battery was not fully charged.

It was down to 50% charge today so i 'Filled' it up. At full charge it is showing 189miles which is low vs the claimed 227miles. Note that this is with everything turned off so no range sapping aircon etc.

Is this normal or are people getting 227m full charge readings from their e-trons. I am just rying to establish if I have been sold a car with a defective battery or not.

[hepy]

Don’t have an Etron, but my Eniro only shows 225 miles against the supposed 280 miles range.

This is down to the cold weather hitting your range, once weather gets warmer, your range will increase.

[essayer]

The range meters are usually very dependent on the most recent set of driving data, but the etrons have usually been quite low efficiency, 2.5 miles/kWh claimed, 2.1 miles/kWh in lots of the road tests, so with the 86kWh battery somewhere between 180-210 is about right?

[Ambleton]

Just like an IC car your range massively depends on your driving habits. When I get in my IC car now with a full tank the range is less than 400miles. Lockdown and wfh has meant I rarely do longer journeys now. Prior when I filled up I'd regularly see a predicted range on a full tank of around >550miles and would achieve 500miles on most tanks in reality.

Your car will simply take your average Range/amphrs or whatever and extrapolate it to whatever the battery state is to get your predicted range.

[ds666]

That's about the same as ours - think it is typically around 177miles . Cold weather makes a big difference thou - think we get over 200 in the summer .

[Pixelpeep Z4]

eniro here, claimed 282, during the cold weather and driving it hard i got an indicated 200 miles fully charged.

Not sure about the audi but there's some info on the eniro that i read on twitter states the battery only recalculates full range when it gets charged from below 20%.

if you keep it topped up and never dip below say 50% it'll always go on the previous driving/temp calculations. - not sure how true that is, but thought i would share.

Since the weather has warmed up a bit i got the car below 20%, and charged it overnight - we are now showing 230. who knows.

[Ambleton]

It's probably worth mentioning that repeated charging to 100% or leaving on charge for long periods of time also isn't great. If you keep charge below 80% then that's probably regarded as "best state" unless you're doing a very long journey then you shouldn't need to charge it beyond this state anyway. Keeping cells permanently topped up is no good for them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/36...

[355fiorano]

Thanks guys, all the info is much appreciated. I didn't realise that the temperature can play 15-20% on range. The sounds massive!
When I charged it for the first time I was only at 50% of battery. Left it on a pay as you go for 5hrs thinking that it will charge to the full and then stop. I came back to a £50 bill for less than 100mile range top up. Now that's a lot worse than the supercharged RR Vogue I traded in for an EV.
I really have to do my homework on how EVs work...

[SWoll]

Range drop can be upto a third when temperatures really drop based on our experiences with an i3 and Tesla 3.

Can only assume you got heavy penalties for overstaying your charge slot (£10 an hour on BP Recharge I believe, not sure about the others) as your topup should have cost less than half that even at the most expensive public chargers?

[caziques]

355fiorano said:

Thanks guys, all the info is much appreciated. I didn't realise that the temperature can play 15-20% on range. The sounds massive!
When I charged it for the first time I was only at 50% of battery. Left it on a pay as you go for 5hrs thinking that it will charge to the full and then stop. I came back to a £50 bill for less than 100mile range top up. Now that's a lot worse than the supercharged RR Vogue I traded in for an EV.
I really have to do my homework on how EVs work...

Never try and rapid charge much beyond 80%, the last 10% is really slow.

Try and leave the battery between 20% and 80% - only charge to 100% if you need all the range in one go.

Cold weather and driving speed make massive differences to range.

ETA - 50 pounds of power at cheap rates is good for over 3000 miles of range.

Edited by caziques on Saturday 6th March 08:45

[aestetix1]

190 miles is optimistic for the eTron in winter. Remember that it's the least efficient EV on the market, almost as if Audi went out of their way to make it an electron guzzler.

Being super inefficient and wasteful the gap between what they managed to squeeze out of the WLTP test cycle and what you can get in real life is going to be much wider than it is in other cars.

[355fiorano]

Yes I am finding this out post purchase.
I went out today, with 163m range which is @ 85% of full range. Put the aircon on to get some heat .. it dropped to 114m !!!
So if its cold, and you should only charge to 80% you effectively have a 50m trip range, if you are to get back without charging.
I cannot see how this is real world useful beyond city commuting.

[355fiorano]

And I cant seem to switch all the nannies off either like lane departure that vibrates and trun your steering wheel every time you want to change lane, or the proximity thing that starts screaming if anther car comes close in traffic or the collision alert if the car in front brakes a bit more aggressively (but no real danger in reality).
Very annoying... if I didn't want to use the car in the congestion charge zone, I think it would have already been back to the dealer to swap for a Q8.

Edited by 355fiorano on Saturday 6th March 22:27

[Pooh]

If you aren’t planning to keep it for many years or do a huge mileage, I wouldn’t to too hung up on only charging to 80% or whatever. I regularly charge my Zoe to 100% and discharge it to almost 0% and after 3 years and 80k miles the battery is still at around 85% capacity. I cannot see the point in buying an electric car and only using half the range.

[aestetix1]

355fiorano said:

Yes I am finding this out post purchase.
I went out today, with 163m range which is @ 85% of full range. Put the aircon on to get some heat .. it dropped to 114m !!!
So if its cold, and you should only charge to 80% you effectively have a 50m trip range, if you are to get back without charging.
I cannot see how this is real world useful beyond city commuting.

Did you not do any research before buying? It's not exactly a secret that the eTron is a turd when it comes to range and efficiency.

[355fiorano]

aestetix1 said:

Did you not do any research before buying? It's not exactly a secret that the eTron is a turd when it comes to range and efficiency.

Not much it has to be said. I did glance over a few reports and it seemed is was there or thereabouts. Basically I liked the looks and wanted the biggest interior space in a premium SUV. I also know I don't want a Tesla. That was it. I am really not that into EVs but having to fork out CC all the time is not great so I decided to go this way.

... from the looks of it I may go back to non EV and pay CC until there is something equivalent to non-EV in terms of usability. I think i have a 30 day grace period to hand back the keys and swap to something else.

[andyeds1234]

355fiorano said:

aestetix1 said:

Did you not do any research before buying? It's not exactly a secret that the eTron is a turd when it comes to range and efficiency.

Not much it has to be said. I did glance over a few reports and it seemed is was there or thereabouts. Basically I liked the looks and wanted the biggest interior space in a premium SUV. I also know I don't want a Tesla. That was it. I am really not that into EVs but having to fork out CC all the time is not great so I decided to go this way.

... from the looks of it I may go back to non EV and pay CC until there is something equivalent to non-EV in terms of usability. I think i have a 30 day grace period to hand back the keys and swap to something else.

Don’t listen to aestetix1, he’s an idiot, he doesn’t own an Etron, pops up every time they are mentioned, and is hell bent on his “turd” catchphrase taking off.

Anyway... yes the Etron could be more efficient, but the trade off is a wonderfully cosseting ride, more than enough power, plenty of space, and one of the few genuine luxury EVs available. Coming from a RR, I’m guessing these things were important to you?

I get approx 180 miles plus from a full charge in the winter, 220 plus in the summer. Charging at a public point can be surprisingly expensive, but a hone charger is just the opposite, and I wouldn’t own an EV if I couldn’t plug in at home.

Does the 180 range in winter cause a problem for you? Eg do you regularly exceed that mileage in a day?

[EVLATECOMER]

355fiorano said:

Not much it has to be said. I did glance over a few reports and it seemed is was there or thereabouts. Basically I liked the looks and wanted the biggest interior space in a premium SUV. I also know I don't want a Tesla. That was it. I am really not that into EVs but having to fork out CC all the time is not great so I decided to go this way.

... from the looks of it I may go back to non EV and pay CC until there is something equivalent to non-EV in terms of usability. I think i have a 30 day grace period to hand back the keys and swap to something else.

Have you registered the new car with TFL for cc autopay / EV discount, they will still ticket you unless you do.

[ds666]

355fiorano said:

And I cant seem to switch all the nannies off either like lane departure that vibrates and trun your steering wheel every time you want to change lane, or the proximity thing that starts screaming if anther car comes close in traffic or the collision alert if the car in front brakes a bit more aggressively (but no real danger in reality).
Very annoying... if I didn't want to use the car in the congestion charge zone, I think it would have already been back to the dealer to swap for a Q8.

Edited by 355fiorano on Saturday 6th March 22:27

Lane departure is switched off by pressing the end of the left hand stalk , dead easy . Our standard procedure is do that then 2 pulls on the left hand paddle for max regen .
I don’t think you can switch off the proximity thing and we’ve found it a bit random at times , primarily I guess to react to people who don’t know how to drive ... rather than those that know there is no issue

Edited by ds666 on Sunday 7th March 10:17

[ds666]

aestetix1 said:

355fiorano said:

Yes I am finding this out post purchase.
I went out today, with 163m range which is @ 85% of full range. Put the aircon on to get some heat .. it dropped to 114m !!!
So if its cold, and you should only charge to 80% you effectively have a 50m trip range, if you are to get back without charging.
I cannot see how this is real world useful beyond city commuting.

Did you not do any research before buying? It's not exactly a secret that the eTron is a turd when it comes to range and efficiency.

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