Formula 1: Porsche & Volkswagen Group considering F1
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Interesting...
To be fair they have been 'thinking about it' since I can remember - but - whether it is the spin of the article or not, it does read as though they are thinking about it a little harder than maybe previously?
A lot of history there - with the VAG stable they have heritage with Audi, Porcshe, Bentley, Bugatti and lamborghini (and i have probably missed some too). Interesting question - IF they did enter as an engine supplier and supplied two teams, presumably one could be branded as, say Audi and the other Bugatti?
To be fair they have been 'thinking about it' since I can remember - but - whether it is the spin of the article or not, it does read as though they are thinking about it a little harder than maybe previously?
A lot of history there - with the VAG stable they have heritage with Audi, Porcshe, Bentley, Bugatti and lamborghini (and i have probably missed some too). Interesting question - IF they did enter as an engine supplier and supplied two teams, presumably one could be branded as, say Audi and the other Bugatti?
They nearly entered as a PU supplier for this season, they only backed out when it was decided the PU spec change would be pushed back to 2025...
They had a fully tested F1 PU for the intended less complex hybrid spec. It was ready to go.
So it's it's absolutely not a 'maybe' they're genuinely interested. They are interested, have spent mega bucks on the project already.
They had a fully tested F1 PU for the intended less complex hybrid spec. It was ready to go.
So it's it's absolutely not a 'maybe' they're genuinely interested. They are interested, have spent mega bucks on the project already.
I would think if one team is focused only on 2022 its williams. Why beat yourself up to still finish last or so.
If those VW F1 entry rumors are true then maybe doritos brought the williams team to make a quick killing when its sold on to VW.
Or maybe doritos are a front for VW.
They do have ex VW man Capito onboard after all...
If those VW F1 entry rumors are true then maybe doritos brought the williams team to make a quick killing when its sold on to VW.
Or maybe doritos are a front for VW.
They do have ex VW man Capito onboard after all...
AmoCS said:
The only real point in this whole story was the e-fuels bit which Porsche are trying to push generally. The rest is the usual non committal blah blah blah. pquinn said:
Sixpackpert said:
Again...
The same old annual story of VW entering F1 in some fashion.Pretty sure they've already got plenty of other productive ways to spend the group marketing budget.
pquinn said:
AmoCS said:
The only real point in this whole story was the e-fuels bit which Porsche are trying to push generally. The rest is the usual non committal blah blah blah. The e-fuels aspect would be absolutely key to F1 using the simplified spec hybrid PU. The use of e-fuels is the only way they get rid of the costly and complex MGU-H whilst still maintain the same overall efficiency.
The FIA won't commit to a new spec for the PU until they're certain that sufficient manufacturers will support it for several years. Likewise no manufacturer can really commit unless they're very certain the FIA will eventually sign off on the technologies they want to promote. So it is all a bit non committal officially, FOM/FIA are essentially courting the current constructors and VW, almost certainly others too.
vulture1 said:
Would be nice if they added to the grid rather than just buy out an existing team. 11 or 12 teams would be good again. Even if they bought 1 and added 1 to grow.
I'm sure Liberty and the FIA would love that too! Must be a proper ball ache having to balance and pander to the wishes of the current ten teams knowing that losing just one of them would be catastrophic.If they get the PU spec just right that would help hugely - currently the spec has put manufacturers off faster than it's enticed them, just too costly. I can appreciate however that getting the spec right, and appealing to the car industry for several years is extremely difficult these days.. There are constant emergent technologies that could swing attention away from whatever F1 commit to and also shifts in legislation could overnight change what manufacturers want to target.
It's ended up a bit like the chain that forms when buying/selling a house. The Governments need to understand what's possible from the manufacturers in order to set targets that can be achieved without collapsing the industry... Then motorsport in general wants to be in the right place spec-wise to appeal to whatever the industry wants at the time. The manufacturers AND governments will be keen to get what they see as the 'correct' answer in to global motor sport to help fuel the changes they wish to promote.
Everyone needs to agree on a single direction and understand the limitations and ambitions of each party - a task very much complicated by the fact no one party is going to be totally honest as they all want to manipulate the final plan for their own benefit one way or another
pquinn said:
Sixpackpert said:
Again...
The same old annual story of VW entering F1 in some fashion.Pretty sure they've already got plenty of other productive ways to spend the group marketing budget.
Teddy Lop said:
pquinn said:
Sixpackpert said:
Again...
The same old annual story of VW entering F1 in some fashion.Pretty sure they've already got plenty of other productive ways to spend the group marketing budget.
Mind you, they didn’t do so well last time they entered F1 from what I can remember.
Teddy Lop said:
hey, the annual "vw considering entering F1" rumours are an authentic part of F1 culture.
Yet every year they seem to find a reason why it won’t work for them this time. Last time out, it was that VAG wanted F1 to dump the MGU-H, so they could run pretty much the 919 hybrid PU with little development, but the likes of Mercedes have been trumpeting the 50% thermal efficiency the “H” gives them and don’t want F1 to go backwards in that regard.
I’m assuming the current push is along similar lines, to try and convince F1 that they need a VAG brand or two involved, but oh, about that expensive and unreliable heat regeneration system that no road car wants or needs...
Personally I think the PU regulations are too restrictive for a prototype series, I’d give them 100kg of fuel for the race, and a restrictor plate - and be done with trying to regulate the PU further. I’d also leave battery capacity free within a maximum weight limit, to encourage prototype batteries - which is an area with plenty of room for road-relevant development.
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