Voluntary tax

[Quisling]

No doubt when if i am stupid enough to switch on the idiot box this morning i will be lectured by a multi millionaire that it is disgusting that the NHS are only get a 1% pay rise.

Social media will be full of people demanding we spend more on everything.

I do feel for these people as i am sure they are utterly heart broken at how little tax they pay as they would just LOVE to pay more tax.

So why don't we have an option where you can have choose to pay a higher rate of income tax

AND even better if you choose todo this you can have your name in an easily searchable database of good people

As who would want to bang on about extra spending without their name in the database


I'm sure it would raise simply tens of pounds every year.

[Taita]

There is already a scheme to pay extra tax if you want. I can't remember the name of it but its been mentioned on here before

[Pit Pony]

Not stupid.

Millions of people pay into charities which most would argue, do things that shoukd be funded by central government.

I give a local homeless charity a small donation, every year, but I'm convinced their services should be funded by the tax payer.

I ran a half marathon and raised £1300 with my daughter for an autism charity. Because I was incensed at the lack of suitable provision for my nephew. (I'd have been better off givingbitvto his mother becuase he never directly benefitted)

So yes, voluntary taxation. Charities...

[Quisling]

Taita said:

There is already a scheme to pay extra tax if you want. I can't remember the name of it but its been mentioned on here before

But it doesn't give you a higher social credit score

[Vanden Saab]

Quisling said:

Taita said:

There is already a scheme to pay extra tax if you want. I can't remember the name of it but its been mentioned on here before

But it doesn't give you a higher social credit score

https://www.dmo.gov.uk/media/17269/donations-and-b...
https://www.dmo.gov.uk/responsibilities/public-sec...

[bitchstewie]

I don't know if it's an urban myth but I thought pretty much anyone could write a cheque to HMRC right now?

[witko999]

Not a myth at all. I can give you their bank details if you like.

[Quisling]

Vanden Saab said:

Quisling said:

Taita said:

There is already a scheme to pay extra tax if you want. I can't remember the name of it but its been mentioned on here before

But it doesn't give you a higher social credit score

https://www.dmo.gov.uk/media/17269/donations-and-b...
https://www.dmo.gov.uk/responsibilities/public-sec...

But why don't we see an endless steam of good people posting proof they have done this

unless the multi millionaires want me to pay more tax

[67Dino]

Vanden Saab said:

Quisling said:

Taita said:

There is already a scheme to pay extra tax if you want. I can't remember the name of it but its been mentioned on here before

But it doesn't give you a higher social credit score

https://www.dmo.gov.uk/media/17269/donations-and-b...
https://www.dmo.gov.uk/responsibilities/public-sec...

That’s fascinating, had no idea there was a government body that accepted donations to reduce the national debt. That said, if I’ve read their accounts right the total donations last year were about £49k which won’t make much of dent.

If that’s right then rather answers OPs question....

[deeen]

We should send those links to anyone on social media who suggests spending more money.

[Iminquarantine]

Quisling said:

Social media will be full of people demanding we spend more on everything.

I do feel for these people as i am sure they are utterly heart broken at how little tax they pay as they would just LOVE to pay more tax.

So why don't we have an option where you can have choose to pay a higher rate of income tax

The government spaffed multiples of the relatively modest cost of the 1% rise on ineffective PPE contracts, including to companies with no prior PPE experience, but who happened to be party donors, or who happened to be neighbours of cabinet ministers. There is also the £22bn on Test and Trace, which was recently revealed not to have used any venue check in data on top of being only marginally effective.

Sympathy level for govt saying no money available should be taken in that context.

[purplepolarbear]

Would most people be put off because the donation will go into a big pot to be spent on everything and only a small proportion on the cause they care about, and some might get spent on things they don't like.

Could this be fixed by allowing anyone donating be asked to say what they want it to go to (e.g. their local NHS trust or homeless facilities in their town?).

[TwigtheWonderkid]

We could fund an increase NHS pay by saving money elsewhere instead of upping tax. We could:

Sack the Home Secretary, who consistently costs us ££££ plus legal fees on compensation to the victims of her ish behaviour, and sue her personally for our costs back.

Abandon the millions to be spent upgrading No10 to Carrie's demands.

Sue the mates of mates of Matt Hancock who have had tens of millions for PPE that wasn't fit for purpose or didn't turn up at all.

Abandon the failed Track & Trace system that's earning Deloitte a million a day, sue those responsible for the fiasco for the £20b plus it's cost so far, and sack Dido Harding.

That should help, for starters.

[leef44]

Iminquarantine said:

The government spaffed multiples of the relatively modest cost of the 1% rise on ineffective PPE contracts, including to companies with no prior PPE experience, but who happened to be party donors, or who happened to be neighbours of cabinet ministers. There is also the £22bn on Test and Trace, which was recently revealed not to have used any venue check in data on top of being only marginally effective.

Sympathy level for govt saying no money available should be taken in that context.

Indeed, this context is key. Billions have been squandered by ineffectively managing rollout of PPE and track and trace.

Also to put in context, 1% rise in NHS staff pay is say roughly 0.5billion. But this is in perpetuity so an extra annual cost and the associated uplift in costs for defined benefit pension scheme.

So possibly, the future cost of a 1% pay rise is around 10-20 billion.

It's a difficult one to manage.

[TCX]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

We could fund an increase NHS pay by saving money elsewhere instead of upping tax. We could:

Sack the Home Secretary, who consistently costs us ££££ plus legal fees on compensation to the victims of her ish behaviour, and sue her personally for our costs back.

Abandon the millions to be spent upgrading No10 to Carrie's demands.

Sue the mates of mates of Matt Hancock who have had tens of millions for PPE that wasn't fit for purpose or didn't turn up at all.

Abandon the failed Track & Trace system that's earning Deloitte a million a day, sue those responsible for the fiasco for the £20b plus it's cost so far, and sack Dido Harding.

That should help, for starters.

Add on turning back illegal immigrants,returning asylum seekers

[valiant]

Iminquarantine said:

The government spaffed multiples of the relatively modest cost of the 1% rise on ineffective PPE contracts, including to companies with no prior PPE experience, but who happened to be party donors, or who happened to be neighbours of cabinet ministers. There is also the £22bn£37bn on Test and Trace, which was recently revealed not to have used any venue check in data on top of being only marginally effective.

Sympathy level for govt saying no money available should be taken in that context.

Slight edit.

If they spent the available money more wisely and knowing they’d be fully accountable for their iffy ‘chumocracy’ contracts, giving the nurses or any other critical key worker a decent pay rise would barely register on the government’s spreadsheets.

[markcoznottz]

anonymous said:

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People who are only recently self employed have very belatedly got some help in the next se grant(s). No one claps for them. Or the disguised self employed who have been decimated by this yet it’s barely mentioned.

[Pit Pony]

markcoznottz said:

Or the disguised self employed who have been decimated by this yet it’s barely mentioned.

Is that a reference to IR35?

LTD company contractors who pay themselves £1000 a month, and then a dividend if they manage to declare a profit after they've paid corporation tax?

If I'd known they were going to run the firlough scheme to September, I'd have paid myself a decent salary in the year to April 2020, and had 17 months sitting pretty.

[Pan Pan Pan]

I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax if it was aimed solely at providing extra funding for the Health service (and possibly the armed services) it would probably still be good value, for money spent.

[leef44]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax if it was aimed solely at providing extra funding for the Health service (and possibly the armed services) it would probably still be good value, for money spent.

I think for the general public it's the lack of trust/confidence that any administration would spend it wisely with the billions that's been squandered.

So I agree with you if only we could have that trust/confidence that the extra tax would go to where we intended it to go.