War in the 21st century
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I couldn't find a topic on this in the forums
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
These massive state-sponsored-like hacks are becoming commonplace. It seems even the most secure systems around the world are being hacked like it's going out of fashion
Given the severity of these events where do things go from here? Retaliatory cyber warfare? State sanctions?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
These massive state-sponsored-like hacks are becoming commonplace. It seems even the most secure systems around the world are being hacked like it's going out of fashion
Given the severity of these events where do things go from here? Retaliatory cyber warfare? State sanctions?
This has been going on for years, not only incoming. Read about Stuxnet
It's just it's starting to become more prevalent as more things become connected to the internet/internet of things etc. It's why many secure systems aren't connected to the internet and have many systems and data analysts monitoring them.
It's just it's starting to become more prevalent as more things become connected to the internet/internet of things etc. It's why many secure systems aren't connected to the internet and have many systems and data analysts monitoring them.
Whoozit said:
How interesting! Why do you think that in the context of online warfare?
Because whatever the assurances, none of this stuff is ever secure. The more we come to rely on stored data for every day life the more vulnerable we are to that being thrown into chaos, and the more dependent we are on those who manage it.JuanCarlosFandango said:
Because whatever the assurances, none of this stuff is ever secure. The more we come to rely on stored data for every day life the more vulnerable we are to that being thrown into chaos, and the more dependent we are on those who manage it.
It's a serious issue. How do you think that could be weaponised by a foreign power?It’s not about the damage, it’s about the value. Yes, states could cause chaos by attacking infrastructure, and apparently a lot of it is, or was not that long ago, very insecure. But intelligence, intellectual property, state secrets and generally just pissing off your enemies is more profitable. China don’t want to destroy their customers, just weaken them. Russia just want to show how powerful they are for internal propaganda. North Korea just want some money to keep importing hair gel and junk food.
Whoozit said:
It's a serious issue. How do you think that could be weaponised by a foreign power?
That would depend entirely on their aims and what exactly they had access to, and how we implemented such a system. Causing mass disruption, intercepting communications, issuing bogus official messages, erasing or falsifying vaccination records. Having these big centralised systems seems like a vulnerability to me.
Hacking computers isn’t actually being at War though. It might play well to the gallery and might make some people feel as though War is a doable enterprise but war is about killing people so that you can occupy their land and dominate them. I can’t see how that can happen in any serious way with Proponents possessing Nuclear weapons. The horror would escalate quickly and everyone knows it. So we play at it by f
king up the other guys computers and annoying them, call it a proxy for War if you wish, but it’s not War.
king up the other guys computers and annoying them, call it a proxy for War if you wish, but it’s not War.JuanCarlosFandango said:
Whoozit said:
It's a serious issue. How do you think that could be weaponised by a foreign power?
That would depend entirely on their aims and what exactly they had access to, and how we implemented such a system. Causing mass disruption, intercepting communications, issuing bogus official messages, erasing or falsifying vaccination records. Having these big centralised systems seems like a vulnerability to me.
https://geopoliticalfutures.com/russias-history-de...
Imagine a cashless society with additional 'health passport' laws being hacked/systems crashing. The chaos would be overwhelming. I remember the panic buying during the first weeks of the lockdown back in March, and thinking of how unstable our society actually is (remember those people actually fighting over toilet rolls, FFS?). It's a veneer, and easily broken down by a hostile power... or even abused by a sitting government themselves.
Edited by MikeT66 on Thursday 11th March 05:10
Regarding cyber warfare, I've never understood the notion of a company or government bodies connecting its sensitive information to the internet. But then I'm no IT expert !
I can see certain positive aspects of connecting to the entire world for certain information and functionality but if the business involves the use of sensitive or classified information then I'd have thought this would be on a totally separate fully private and secure disconnected network. What am I missing?
I can see certain positive aspects of connecting to the entire world for certain information and functionality but if the business involves the use of sensitive or classified information then I'd have thought this would be on a totally separate fully private and secure disconnected network. What am I missing?
bristolracer said:
Never understand the fuss about hackers and government servers.
They are obvious targets
If you really want to fk a country up, take out some supermarket servers or take down a telephone exchange system and switch the internet off in a city or two
Take out Facebook or Twitter etc millions of suicides overnight.They are obvious targets
If you really want to f
k a country up, take out some supermarket servers or take down a telephone exchange system and switch the internet off in a city or two TX.
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