Mortar Up the Jacksie
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sutoka

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4,716 posts

132 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Incredible that this sort of behaviour still goes on and seems to be tolerated. Yet they wonder why recruit commit suicide or have mental breakdowns because of bullying and PTSD. Not sure getting a mortar round rammed up your arse is the best training method.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9356797/V...

fttm

4,372 posts

159 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Where does it say the lad is getting a mortar round up his chuff ? It doesn't , plus it's the daily wail .

98elise

31,502 posts

185 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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They didn't stick a mortar up his Jackie.

I am surprised bullying and initiaton stuff still goes on though.

Jeremy-75qq8

1,651 posts

116 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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The disturbing video shows the troops spitting mouthfuls of lager at the airman’s backside.

His legs are then forced apart as the 4ft barrel of a mortar, which weighs 28lb, is lowered behind him.

The weapon’s ball-shaped socket is then used on the airman as his raucous colleagues slap his buttocks.

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the act of ‘assault by penetration’ carries a custodial sentence of up to 19 years

I think it is pretty obvious what happened and the title is accurate

selym

9,573 posts

195 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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'RAF police investigators'! That's the end of that then.

98elise

31,502 posts

185 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Jeremy-75qq8 said:
The disturbing video shows the troops spitting mouthfuls of lager at the airman’s backside.

His legs are then forced apart as the 4ft barrel of a mortar, which weighs 28lb, is lowered behind him.

The weapon’s ball-shaped socket is then used on the airman as his raucous colleagues slap his buttocks.

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the act of ‘assault by penetration’ carries a custodial sentence of up to 19 years

I think it is pretty obvious what happened and the title is accurate
None of that says he was penetrated with it. "Lowered behind him", and "used on the airman" is implying, not stating he was penetrated. The line about assault by penetration is just a statement of fact about the law.

Have you seen the ball socket on a mortar? If he was penetrated by that then he would be in hospital.




Edited by 98elise on Saturday 13th March 10:10

Tony1963

5,808 posts

186 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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RAF regiment. Nobody really cares. Probably the most exciting action they’ll see in their pointless lives.

Edited by Tony1963 on Saturday 13th March 09:34

carinaman

24,513 posts

196 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Did he have to go through the Crapita recruitment process or have they now been sidelined?

craig_m67

949 posts

212 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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98elise said:
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
The disturbing video shows the troops spitting mouthfuls of lager at the airman’s backside.

His legs are then forced apart as the 4ft barrel of a mortar, which weighs 28lb, is lowered behind him.

The weapon’s ball-shaped socket is then used on the airman as his raucous colleagues slap his buttocks.

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the act of ‘assault by penetration’ carries a custodial sentence of up to 19 years

I think it is pretty obvious what happened and the title is accurate
None of that says he was penitrated with it. "Lowered behind him", and "used on the airman" is implying, not stating he was penetrated. The line about assault by penetration is just a statement of fact about the law.

Have you seen the ball socket on a mortar? If he was penetrated by that then he would be in hospital.
So it’s all okay with you then?
WTF are you even arguing about here

It’s abhorrent.

98elise

31,502 posts

185 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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craig_m67 said:
98elise said:
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
The disturbing video shows the troops spitting mouthfuls of lager at the airman’s backside.

His legs are then forced apart as the 4ft barrel of a mortar, which weighs 28lb, is lowered behind him.

The weapon’s ball-shaped socket is then used on the airman as his raucous colleagues slap his buttocks.

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the act of ‘assault by penetration’ carries a custodial sentence of up to 19 years

I think it is pretty obvious what happened and the title is accurate
None of that says he was penitrated with it. "Lowered behind him", and "used on the airman" is implying, not stating he was penetrated. The line about assault by penetration is just a statement of fact about the law.

Have you seen the ball socket on a mortar? If he was penetrated by that then he would be in hospital.
So it’s all okay with you then?
WTF are you even arguing about here

It’s abhorrent.
It entirely depends on the circumstances.

The article is carefully worded. If it IS what they are implying then it's not ok however I doubt it's even possible.

Being in the forces is often like being on a stag do with your mates, so I suspect it's more of a bunch of guys being tts.




Tony1963

5,808 posts

186 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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There was an incident at Coningsby in the late 80s when a RAF fireman (also under the regiment banner in those days!) had a CO2 cartridge from a water fire extinguisher shoved up his rusty sheriff’s badge, and split on his mates. Made the papers, and then fireman were verbally abused for years about it.
The ex-RAF aircraft electricians I work with are still called dog f***ers after one famous incident a few decades ago.

DBSV8

5,958 posts

262 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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98elise said:
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
The disturbing video shows the troops spitting mouthfuls of lager at the airman’s backside.

His legs are then forced apart as the 4ft barrel of a mortar, which weighs 28lb, is lowered behind him.

The weapon’s ball-shaped socket is then used on the airman as his raucous colleagues slap his buttocks.

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the act of ‘assault by penetration’ carries a custodial sentence of up to 19 years

I think it is pretty obvious what happened and the title is accurate
None of that says he was penetrated with it. "Lowered behind him", and "used on the airman" is implying, not stating he was penetrated. The line about assault by penetration is just a statement of fact about the law.

Have you seen the ball socket on a mortar? If he was penetrated by that then he would be in hospital.




Edited by 98elise on Saturday 13th March 10:10
bullst ... you don't put a condom on ....if your not going to f......k ... you can bet your bottom dollar .. they shoved that ball up his arse

either way , its totally unacceptable behaviour




Pebbles167

4,464 posts

176 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Didn't think this kind of stuff happened anymore really. I remember a story in the early/mid 2000's of a 16 year old army junior soldier getting a vacuum cleaner shoved up his arse in training, and they dealt with it pretty strongly then.

gaseous clay

12,932 posts

261 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Is it just the air force or do all of our armed services have such a predilection for messing about with each other's arses?

deckster

9,631 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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98elise said:
It entirely depends on the circumstances.

The article is carefully worded. If it IS what they are implying then it's not ok however I doubt it's even possible.

Being in the forces is often like being on a stag do with your mates, so I suspect it's more of a bunch of guys being tts.
Oh well, that's OK then. Nothing to see here chaps.

Frankly a fking disgusting attitude and all involved need to be thrown out, disbarred, whatever the term is.

"All just lads having a bit of fun" is absolutely no excuse for this kind of abuse and the mere fact the anybody could try to trivialise or normalise this kind of thing is simply abhorrent.

Electro1980

8,933 posts

163 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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98elise said:
craig_m67 said:
98elise said:
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
The disturbing video shows the troops spitting mouthfuls of lager at the airman’s backside.

His legs are then forced apart as the 4ft barrel of a mortar, which weighs 28lb, is lowered behind him.

The weapon’s ball-shaped socket is then used on the airman as his raucous colleagues slap his buttocks.

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the act of ‘assault by penetration’ carries a custodial sentence of up to 19 years

I think it is pretty obvious what happened and the title is accurate
None of that says he was penitrated with it. "Lowered behind him", and "used on the airman" is implying, not stating he was penetrated. The line about assault by penetration is just a statement of fact about the law.

Have you seen the ball socket on a mortar? If he was penetrated by that then he would be in hospital.
So it’s all okay with you then?
WTF are you even arguing about here

It’s abhorrent.
It entirely depends on the circumstances.

The article is carefully worded. If it IS what they are implying then it's not ok however I doubt it's even possible.

Being in the forces is often like being on a stag do with your mates, so I suspect it's more of a bunch of guys being tts.
If anyone wants to see why men are so upset about the accusations coming from some women at the moment, this is why. There is a small minority of people who think assault and sexual violence is a joke and a laugh. These same people are attacking men and women. Women are not generally the perpetrators of this behaviour, although they can still often be enablers and passive participants. Much abuse suffers by men is dismissed as “bants” and “just lads” and an assumption that it is just what happens and all are willing participants.

A friend of mine was sexually assaulted on his stag do by his rugby club mates. It was clear many years after that he was upset by this and it had effected him and his mental health but he didn’t want to address it as he said it was “one of those things”.

This behaviour is not acceptable. It happens in rugby clubs, university sports clubs, military training and anywhere also that still holds idiotic ideas of the importance of “initiations”. It’s stupid and I hope every single one of the people involved in this gets punished to the full extent of the law.

anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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I always get the feeling that those doing the “initiations”never had it done to them?

Heartworm

1,938 posts

185 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Electro1980 said:
If anyone wants to see why men are so upset about the accusations coming from some women at the moment, this is why. There is a small minority of people who think assault and sexual violence is a joke and a laugh. These same people are attacking men and women. Women are not generally the perpetrators of this behaviour, although they can still often be enablers and passive participants. Much abuse suffers by men is dismissed as “bants” and “just lads” and an assumption that it is just what happens and all are willing participants.

A friend of mine was sexually assaulted on his stag do by his rugby club mates. It was clear many years after that he was upset by this and it had effected him and his mental health but he didn’t want to address it as he said it was “one of those things”.

This behaviour is not acceptable. It happens in rugby clubs, university sports clubs, military training and anywhere also that still holds idiotic ideas of the importance of “initiations”. It’s stupid and I hope every single one of the people involved in this gets punished to the full extent of the law.
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ch37

10,642 posts

245 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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Electro1980 said:
This behaviour is not acceptable. It happens in rugby clubs...
Most of my school friends were in a rugby club in their 20s, two of the things I was told happened (one an initiation, another a stag do) are forever burned into my mind.

If they were things that were randomly sprung upon a member of the public out and about they would rightly be described as torture and sexual assault.

That it seems to be tolerated in certain industries/clubs is yet another significant difference between men and women, differences that many are seemingly trying to underplay in certain other threads right now.

98elise

31,502 posts

185 months

Saturday 13th March 2021
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deckster said:
98elise said:
It entirely depends on the circumstances.

The article is carefully worded. If it IS what they are implying then it's not ok however I doubt it's even possible.

Being in the forces is often like being on a stag do with your mates, so I suspect it's more of a bunch of guys being tts.
Oh well, that's OK then. Nothing to see here chaps.

Frankly a fking disgusting attitude and all involved need to be thrown out, disbarred, whatever the term is.

"All just lads having a bit of fun" is absolutely no excuse for this kind of abuse and the mere fact the anybody could try to trivialise or normalise this kind of thing is simply abhorrent.
Hopefully will be investigated and dealt with properly rather than reading the Daily Mail and deciding guilt at face value.