2021 tyre option for Cerbera 16inch wheels
Discussion
Hi All,
I know this is a recurring theme, but I wondered if anyone could advise me on tyres for my newly acquired '97 Cerb.
(I havent found any 2021 postings on latest tyres available)
It currently has 225 45 16 on the front and 245 45 16 on the rear (all of which are for the bin)
It also has new nitrons on it.
Tyre choice is limited due to the sizes.
What would other folk use with the size of wheel I have. I would love to put a matching set of premium tyres on it but the sizes of the wheels prohibits this (or does it?!)
I keep coming back to the Toyo T1R's as I can get a matching set.
The Yokohamas available aren't available in a matching set.
I have spent days and nights trawling the web trying to find the best solution!
I wont be doing track days. Just spirited road driving. I won't go out in the rain intentionally.
Is it possible to increase the profile of the tyre to open up the tyre options?
Any help or advise would be so much appreciated!
Thank you!
I know this is a recurring theme, but I wondered if anyone could advise me on tyres for my newly acquired '97 Cerb.
(I havent found any 2021 postings on latest tyres available)
It currently has 225 45 16 on the front and 245 45 16 on the rear (all of which are for the bin)
It also has new nitrons on it.
Tyre choice is limited due to the sizes.
What would other folk use with the size of wheel I have. I would love to put a matching set of premium tyres on it but the sizes of the wheels prohibits this (or does it?!)
I keep coming back to the Toyo T1R's as I can get a matching set.
The Yokohamas available aren't available in a matching set.
I have spent days and nights trawling the web trying to find the best solution!
I wont be doing track days. Just spirited road driving. I won't go out in the rain intentionally.
Is it possible to increase the profile of the tyre to open up the tyre options?
Any help or advise would be so much appreciated!
Thank you!
TwinKam said:
Watching & listening with interest...
Just been 'chatting' with another 16" Cerb owner on precisely this same subject. I really don't want to change to 17" wheels.
My 928 also had 16" wheels and needed 225/50/16 and 245/45/16, and I kept them on the car for yearsJust been 'chatting' with another 16" Cerb owner on precisely this same subject. I really don't want to change to 17" wheels.
It became virtually impossible to find decent tyres especially the rears, as far as I know, apart from TVR the only other car that uses 245/45/16 is the S2000
It was even worse when I needed some in an emergency which happened twice, once at a track day at Spa, and once while touring in Tuscany (waiting to for days to get tyres delivered while on holiday is no fun)
So a few years ago I upgraded to 17" - not regretted that for a second (even though it was horribly expensive)
It also has the advantage that I now use exactly the same size and brand of tyres on both cars - AD08R which are superb
As you have discovered, your choices are pretty limited. At least one seller describes the size as being most common for MPVs which is not exactly reassuring!
Have a look at Demon Tweeks, because they have very close up photos of the 10 tyres in your size that they sell, and you can see from the tread depth/pattern, and from the descriptions as to which are too track biased.
I don't think that the Dunlop is road legal, and the Toyo R888R carries warnings about the wet and the cold, and so I doubt you would want that on a road car, and I suspect it would invalidate your insurance. The Nankang AR1 looks like a hand-cut slick to me, and I doubt that you would want that for the same reasons.
That leaves 7:
Kumho Ecsta V70A (not sure of the rating, but they come in soft, medium and hard like an F1 tyre, so probably not really suitable!)
Nankang NS-20 (89W rated)
Nankang NS-2R (93W XL)
Nexen N'Fera SU1 (93W XL)
Toyo Proxes TR1 (93W XL)
Yokohama Advan Neova AD08RS
Yokohama Advan A052 (93 W).
The dilemma that you have is that the most road orientated of them, (NS-20, Nexen, Toyo) are all budget tyre prices. (Premium brands for the Toyota Aygo cost more, and that has skinny tyres and 71 bhp!)
The more expensive tyres on the list, are all more track orientated, but if you don't take your car out in the cold or the extreme wet, then you might be ok with them.
I have experience with the Toyos, (both the TR1 and the previous T1R) on another classic performance car. The TR1 is definitely better than the old T1R, but you just don't get the same grip that you used to from the premium tyres, when they were available.
mytyres also stock a Hankook Ventus Prime 2 K115 (89W), but that gets a C rating for fuel economy. (The better the rating, the less the rolling resistance, hence better economy, so that might not have the greatest dry weather grip!)
Have a look at Demon Tweeks, because they have very close up photos of the 10 tyres in your size that they sell, and you can see from the tread depth/pattern, and from the descriptions as to which are too track biased.
I don't think that the Dunlop is road legal, and the Toyo R888R carries warnings about the wet and the cold, and so I doubt you would want that on a road car, and I suspect it would invalidate your insurance. The Nankang AR1 looks like a hand-cut slick to me, and I doubt that you would want that for the same reasons.
That leaves 7:
Kumho Ecsta V70A (not sure of the rating, but they come in soft, medium and hard like an F1 tyre, so probably not really suitable!)
Nankang NS-20 (89W rated)
Nankang NS-2R (93W XL)
Nexen N'Fera SU1 (93W XL)
Toyo Proxes TR1 (93W XL)
Yokohama Advan Neova AD08RS
Yokohama Advan A052 (93 W).
The dilemma that you have is that the most road orientated of them, (NS-20, Nexen, Toyo) are all budget tyre prices. (Premium brands for the Toyota Aygo cost more, and that has skinny tyres and 71 bhp!)
The more expensive tyres on the list, are all more track orientated, but if you don't take your car out in the cold or the extreme wet, then you might be ok with them.
I have experience with the Toyos, (both the TR1 and the previous T1R) on another classic performance car. The TR1 is definitely better than the old T1R, but you just don't get the same grip that you used to from the premium tyres, when they were available.
mytyres also stock a Hankook Ventus Prime 2 K115 (89W), but that gets a C rating for fuel economy. (The better the rating, the less the rolling resistance, hence better economy, so that might not have the greatest dry weather grip!)
Edited by LucyP on Tuesday 16th March 12:29
LucyP said:
As you have discovered, your choices are pretty limited. At least one seller describes the size as being most common for MPVs which is not exactly reassuring!
Have a look at Demon Tweeks, because they have very close up photos of the 10 tyres in your size that they sell, and you can see from the tread depth/pattern, and from the descriptions as to which are too track biased.
I don't think that the Dunlop is road legal, and the Toyo R888R carries warnings about the wet and the cold, and so I doubt you would want that on a road car, and I suspect it would invalidate your insurance. The Nankang AR1 looks like a hand-cut slick to me, and I doubt that you would want that for the same reasons.
That leaves 7:
Kumho Ecsta V70A (not sure of the rating, but they come in soft, medium and hard like an F1 tyre, so probably not really suitable!)
Nankang NS-20 (89W rated)
Nankang NS-2R (93W XL)
Nexen N'Fera SU1 (93W XL)
Toyo Proxes TR1 (93W XL)
Yokohama Advan Neova AD08RS
Yokohama Advan A052 (93 W).
The dilemma that you have is that the most road orientated of them, (NS-20, Nexen, Toyo) are all budget tyre prices. (Premium brands for the Toyota Aygo cost more, and that has skinny tyres and 71 bhp!)
The more expensive tyres on the list, are all more track orientated, but if you don't take your car out in the cold or the extreme wet, then you might be ok with them.
I have experience with the Toyos, (both the TR1 and the previous T1R) on another classic performance car. The TR1 is definitely better than the old T1R, but you just don't get the same grip that you used to from the premium tyres, when they were available.
mytyres also stock a Hankook Ventus Prime 2 K115 (89W), but that gets a C rating for fuel economy. (The better the rating, the less the rolling resistance, hence better economy, so that might not have the greatest dry weather grip!)
Kumho V70 is a great tyre in the dry immense grip and OK in the wet.Have a look at Demon Tweeks, because they have very close up photos of the 10 tyres in your size that they sell, and you can see from the tread depth/pattern, and from the descriptions as to which are too track biased.
I don't think that the Dunlop is road legal, and the Toyo R888R carries warnings about the wet and the cold, and so I doubt you would want that on a road car, and I suspect it would invalidate your insurance. The Nankang AR1 looks like a hand-cut slick to me, and I doubt that you would want that for the same reasons.
That leaves 7:
Kumho Ecsta V70A (not sure of the rating, but they come in soft, medium and hard like an F1 tyre, so probably not really suitable!)
Nankang NS-20 (89W rated)
Nankang NS-2R (93W XL)
Nexen N'Fera SU1 (93W XL)
Toyo Proxes TR1 (93W XL)
Yokohama Advan Neova AD08RS
Yokohama Advan A052 (93 W).
The dilemma that you have is that the most road orientated of them, (NS-20, Nexen, Toyo) are all budget tyre prices. (Premium brands for the Toyota Aygo cost more, and that has skinny tyres and 71 bhp!)
The more expensive tyres on the list, are all more track orientated, but if you don't take your car out in the cold or the extreme wet, then you might be ok with them.
I have experience with the Toyos, (both the TR1 and the previous T1R) on another classic performance car. The TR1 is definitely better than the old T1R, but you just don't get the same grip that you used to from the premium tyres, when they were available.
mytyres also stock a Hankook Ventus Prime 2 K115 (89W), but that gets a C rating for fuel economy. (The better the rating, the less the rolling resistance, hence better economy, so that might not have the greatest dry weather grip!)
Edited by LucyP on Tuesday 16th March 12:29
Toyo are average at best
They are the only two I have direct knowledge of.
Edited by gruffalo on Wednesday 17th March 11:44
I have the NS2-R on my 17" rims. 235/40 and 255/40 (I think). Much like Paul and the AD08 they come up very wide for their size. I've driven it in the cold and wet and not been killed to death. I'd be careful in "weather" but they have a better rep for the wet than something like the R888.
We also run AD08RS on an S1 elise. Again ok in the wet but certainly not a rain tyre.
Both offer great grip in the dry.
Toyo - I used the old T1Rs 20 years ago on a low power saloon car. Fine in the horrible in the wet. I'm not convinced the new one is much better really. If you can find some stock of R1Rs then these were a good tyre.
We also run AD08RS on an S1 elise. Again ok in the wet but certainly not a rain tyre.
Both offer great grip in the dry.
Toyo - I used the old T1Rs 20 years ago on a low power saloon car. Fine in the horrible in the wet. I'm not convinced the new one is much better really. If you can find some stock of R1Rs then these were a good tyre.
I've just had 4 new tyres arrive yesterday for my 16" wheels to replace the 5 year old Toyo T1R's.
I've gone with Yokohama AD08RS's 225/45/16 for the front and Toyo TR1's 245/45/16 for the rear. I would've liked Toyo's all round but there were none in stock for the fronts. According to the website they can get some Toyo TR1's 225/45/16 for 19 days time though.
The Yokohama's do look surprisingly wide and squarer on the corners?
The only premium brand I can see in 225/45/16 is the Dunlop DZ03G but these are track tyre's.
I've gone with Yokohama AD08RS's 225/45/16 for the front and Toyo TR1's 245/45/16 for the rear. I would've liked Toyo's all round but there were none in stock for the fronts. According to the website they can get some Toyo TR1's 225/45/16 for 19 days time though.
The Yokohama's do look surprisingly wide and squarer on the corners?
The only premium brand I can see in 225/45/16 is the Dunlop DZ03G but these are track tyre's.
They look great!
It's a shame Yoko don't do a matching set for our wheel sizes. You have two get two different tread patterns.
I was still leaning to the Toyo's but the positive Kumho feedback is interesting!
I am wary of Nankings from a set that came on an M3 i had a few years back. Different car / weight and a good few years ago I know.
I don't know if it makes a difference to the drive, but the nerd in me just wants the same at each corner!
Thank you for sharing and thank you everyone else!
(In the meantime the car is still on the ramps waiting for the Nitrons to be refurbished....and has just decided to keep the ignition on permanently and stop the doors and windows working! New door control module ordered. Fingers crossed it does the trick!)
It's a shame Yoko don't do a matching set for our wheel sizes. You have two get two different tread patterns.
I was still leaning to the Toyo's but the positive Kumho feedback is interesting!
I am wary of Nankings from a set that came on an M3 i had a few years back. Different car / weight and a good few years ago I know.
I don't know if it makes a difference to the drive, but the nerd in me just wants the same at each corner!
Thank you for sharing and thank you everyone else!
(In the meantime the car is still on the ramps waiting for the Nitrons to be refurbished....and has just decided to keep the ignition on permanently and stop the doors and windows working! New door control module ordered. Fingers crossed it does the trick!)
JackFitz said:
I've just had 4 new tyres arrive yesterday for my 16" wheels to replace the 5 year old Toyo T1R's.
I've gone with Yokohama AD08RS's 225/45/16 for the front and Toyo TR1's 245/45/16 for the rear. I would've liked Toyo's all round but there were none in stock for the fronts. According to the website they can get some Toyo TR1's 225/45/16 for 19 days time though.
The Yokohama's do look surprisingly wide and squarer on the corners?
The only premium brand I can see in 225/45/16 is the Dunlop DZ03G but these are track tyre's.
Semi slick on the front and road tyre on the rear is a bit of a no no for me.. The balance will be shocking. In the warm and the front end will have loads more grip than the rear. In the cooler/damp the front will have no grip compared to the rear. I've gone with Yokohama AD08RS's 225/45/16 for the front and Toyo TR1's 245/45/16 for the rear. I would've liked Toyo's all round but there were none in stock for the fronts. According to the website they can get some Toyo TR1's 225/45/16 for 19 days time though.
The Yokohama's do look surprisingly wide and squarer on the corners?
The only premium brand I can see in 225/45/16 is the Dunlop DZ03G but these are track tyre's.
The other issue is the new 048RS is being slated compared to the older version..
Edited by Jhonno on Friday 26th March 15:34
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