What’s this old Ferrari?

[LotusOmega375D]

This is a resized image from a photo in another thread. I took the photo at the 1987 Italian GP at Monza. It was taking part in a classic car support race. Does anyone know exactly what it is? Turbobanana and I think it’s a re-bodied 250 GT, but does anyone know for certain exactly what it is?

[Skyedriver]

275LM at a guess

[LotusOmega375D]

No, engine’s at the front. You can make out the side exit exhaust I think.

[P5BNij]

It’s a c.1964 250GTO variant, I *think* only four were built.

[LotusOmega375D]

No, it’s not one of those. They were sleeker. Chris Evans owned this one.

[Podie]

P5BNij said:

It’s a c.1964 250GTO variant, I *think* only four were built.

I think you're right - the "Type 64" or 250GTO/64 - 3 or 4 knocking about.

The long door and non-standard vents are confusing...

[Turbobanana]

Podie said:

P5BNij said:

It’s a c.1964 250GTO variant, I *think* only four were built.

I think you're right - the "Type 64" or 250GTO/64 - 3 or 4 knocking about.

The long door and non-standard vents are confusing...

Side window is very different.

The rear actually looks like the Drogo Breadvan, but with the back cut down to resemble the '64 GTO.

[Podie]

Turbobanana said:

Podie said:

P5BNij said:

It’s a c.1964 250GTO variant, I *think* only four were built.

I think you're right - the "Type 64" or 250GTO/64 - 3 or 4 knocking about.

The long door and non-standard vents are confusing...

Side window is very different.

The rear actually looks like the Drogo Breadvan, but with the back cut down to resemble the '64 GTO.

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more it seems a "bitsa" - certainly agree on the breadvan similarity. Just been googling to see if there were any prototypes or other coachwork cars, but found nothing

[Bobo W]

I think you have a better chance of identification if you post in Ferrari Classic section

Clearly a special - with bits of everything but not obviously one of the more recognised restyles by Drogo albeit with lots of similar styling cues

[DB4DM]

To me, it doesn't look like one of the 3 series II cars from 1964, but it could well be one of the several 1962-63 Series I 250GTO that were apparently rebodied in perod. To be invited to participate at Monza before the F1 could suggest the car has notable history

[Simes205]

Podie said:

P5BNij said:

It’s a c.1964 250GTO variant, I *think* only four were built.

I think you're right - the "Type 64" or 250GTO/64 - 3 or 4 knocking about.

The long door and non-standard vents are confusing...

Cough 2 originally made.
About 20 in existence!

[LotusOmega375D]

Yes wasn’t Evans’ ‘64’ GTO originally a regular body 62/63 one, which was rebodied in period to improve its performance?

[nicanary]

I know somebody in the States who may be able to help. I've posted an image to him.

[Simes205]

LotusOmega375D said:

Yes wasn’t Evans’ ‘64’ GTO originally a regular body 62/63 one, which was rebodied in period to improve its performance?

Lord Bamford owns the other

[williamp]

Simes205 said:

LotusOmega375D said:

Yes wasn’t Evans’ ‘64’ GTO originally a regular body 62/63 one, which was rebodied in period to improve its performance?

Lord Bamford owns the other

Worth recounting the story of how he got the GTO. In the late 60s he approached Pinewood studis about bying a Goldfinger DB5. They settiled on a price equivilent to, say a new Carpi.

Unnown to him, he was actually buying BOTH the Goldfinger DB5's. He swapped one for th GTO, and kept then other. The cheapest GTO ever????

[nc107]

The straight rear wing line makes me think of the earlier 250 GT Tour de France, but that had a swooping rear window, It also has shades of the early 250GTO Scaglietti, although that had the swooping rear wings. So the thought of a rebodied car may be on the money.

[MitchT]

Despite looking like the front from a 250GTO, the rear from a 250LM, and something completely different in the middle, it isn't actually a Ferrari. It's an ASA 411 GTS. Pictures of them seem hard to find, but there's some sketchy info near the bottom of this page: https://classiccarcatalogue.com/ASA_1966.html

[Dapster]

MitchT said:

Despite looking like the front from a 250GTO, the rear from a 250LM, and something completely different in the middle, it isn't actually a Ferrari. It's an ASA 411 GTS. Pictures of them seem hard to find, but there's some sketchy info near the bottom of this page: https://classiccarcatalogue.com/ASA_1966.html

What a great call. Indeed it is.







I'd never heard of ASA until 10 minutes ago - seems like the car was developed as a cheap entry level car by Enzo, engineered by Bizzarrini using the 250 GTO chassis, but ultimately built by ASA rather than Ferrari.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASA_(automobile)

Edited by Dapster on Wednesday 17th March 21:16

[Turbobanana]

MitchT said:

Despite looking like the front from a 250GTO, the rear from a 250LM, and something completely different in the middle, it isn't actually a Ferrari. It's an ASA 411 GTS. Pictures of them seem hard to find, but there's some sketchy info near the bottom of this page: https://classiccarcatalogue.com/ASA_1966.html

Bravo!

[LotusOmega375D]

Brilliant, thanks! I was thrown by what looked like a Scuderia Ferrari shield on the side. Well that’s a 34 year mystery solved in a few hours!

Edited by LotusOmega375D on Wednesday 17th March 22:21