Derailed train recovery
Discussion
Interesting video of the attempted recovery of a recently derailed Merseyrail train:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...
I've got to say I though a crane would be involved (but suspect there might be a bridge in the way!)
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...
I've got to say I though a crane would be involved (but suspect there might be a bridge in the way!)
The train has derailed in a cutting with a bridge over it. There isn't room to put a large enough crane safely.
It looks like it will be dragged back onto the tracks by the 37 and then skated to a depot. It is possible that it might be cut up on site if it's not able to be recovered quickly.
SD.
It looks like it will be dragged back onto the tracks by the 37 and then skated to a depot. It is possible that it might be cut up on site if it's not able to be recovered quickly.
SD.
mcdjl said:
I was trying to work out how it hit the buffer as there appears to be a line the other side of the bridge. I guess its a goods line and theres a break at that point, rather than continuous.
It’s two separate lines that terminate at Kirkby, Merseyrail electrified line from Liverpool which the damaged train was on and the other side of the bridge is the Wigan line operated by Northern Rail - I think it uses non-electric services.The damaged buffer was just before the bridge from what a remember.
lastofthev8s said:
mcdjl said:
I was trying to work out how it hit the buffer as there appears to be a line the other side of the bridge. I guess its a goods line and theres a break at that point, rather than continuous.
It’s two separate lines that terminate at Kirkby, Merseyrail electrified line from Liverpool which the damaged train was on and the other side of the bridge is the Wigan line operated by Northern Rail - I think it uses non-electric services.The damaged buffer was just before the bridge from what a remember.
It's not the first time that there's been an accident here, last one was in the 90's if I recall.
Video from the local press shows the crash itself. The train appears to be coming into the platform very quickly.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...
Incidentally, this video was apparently leaked from the CCTV footage - somone is likely to be having an interview without coffee or biscuits in the near future.
SD.
Incidentally, this video was apparently leaked from the CCTV footage - someone is likely to be having an interview without coffee or biscuits in the near future.
SD.
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In the old Great Western days to be on the receiving end of a dressing down was known as "going to see the picture". Employees who had transgressed were summoned to company HQ for a disciplinary hearing in the boardroom, where they faced a full-length portrait of the chairman during the proceedings. Hence going to see the picture. And they probably weren't offered refreshments either.
ZymoTech said:
Incidentally, this video was apparently leaked from the CCTV footage - someone is likely to be having an interview without coffee or biscuits in the near future.
SD.
In the old Great Western days to be on the receiving end of a dressing down was known as "going to see the picture". Employees who had transgressed were summoned to company HQ for a disciplinary hearing in the boardroom, where they faced a full-length portrait of the chairman during the proceedings. Hence going to see the picture. And they probably weren't offered refreshments either.
When I began my Brakesman training (Yes, the company I work for classed me as a Shunter / Brakesman , and proud of the title I was as well, as it carried a bit of old school respect regardless of length of service) my instructor (since passed) told me a yarn that in a Railway Station, the Brakesmen / Shunters / Guards and Drivers used to come under the authority of the "Station Master". SD.
In the old Great Western days to be on the receiving end of a dressing down was known as "going to see the picture". Employees who had transgressed were summoned to company HQ for a disciplinary hearing in the boardroom, where they faced a full-length portrait of the chairman during the proceedings. Hence going to see the picture. And they probably weren't offered refreshments either.
This was a man who sat behind a large, mahogony desk, had very impressive sideburns, smoked a pipe, had a large clock on the wall behind him and wore a waistcoat with a watch. He was, for all intents and purposes , the King of all he surveyed, and to be summoned to his office for a misdemeanor was a guaranteed bad day at the office. He also was responsible for dishing out sackings (rarely) , promotions, appointments and was at all times to be referred to as "Mister".
Not sure if he was spinning me a yarn, but he had been a railwayman all his life, a few of the old time (30-40 years in BRASS) drivers tell me it's true apart from the Driver bit, as they liek to think they ruled themselves. I'd be interested if this was indeed a harmless yarn or true if anyone knows.
Cranes were on the way out 35 years ago when I did my training, they are big and cumbersome and take too long to set up. Hydraulic jacks were coming in, you can use them under the wires although I wouldn’t want to work under them with the power on.
Didn’t have the ramps then, you just jacked one end at a time with the jacks on a big beam and slid it across until the wheels lined up.
We had a steam crane that was lower rated than Gateshead's diesel crane, there is a story told of retailing a 45 with the two cranes and it wasn’t, the steam crane that faltered. Biggest issue with the steam crane was the time taken to raise steam.
Didn’t have the ramps then, you just jacked one end at a time with the jacks on a big beam and slid it across until the wheels lined up.
We had a steam crane that was lower rated than Gateshead's diesel crane, there is a story told of retailing a 45 with the two cranes and it wasn’t, the steam crane that faltered. Biggest issue with the steam crane was the time taken to raise steam.
Impressive video, love the sound of a diesel biting down!
Presumably because it has significantly over-run the buffer stops, the first job is to fairly unceremoniously drag it back to where there are actually rails for it to re-rail onto. Then as said, us re-railing ramps, or more likely I believe, hyd jacks, to get it back onto the rails.
There are videos online of re-railing using hyd jacks. But you basically just lift it up a bit, and then slide it over till its back inline, and lower. All modular with quick-connect hoses and a remote hyd power pack.
The merseyrail trains are old due to be replaced shortly, the new trains are already undergoing testing, so i wouldn't be surprised if this one is not repaired.
Electric with a third off-set rail, if you look on google maps you can see the third rail on the west side of the bridge, and not on the right hand side.
Daniel
Presumably because it has significantly over-run the buffer stops, the first job is to fairly unceremoniously drag it back to where there are actually rails for it to re-rail onto. Then as said, us re-railing ramps, or more likely I believe, hyd jacks, to get it back onto the rails.
There are videos online of re-railing using hyd jacks. But you basically just lift it up a bit, and then slide it over till its back inline, and lower. All modular with quick-connect hoses and a remote hyd power pack.
The merseyrail trains are old due to be replaced shortly, the new trains are already undergoing testing, so i wouldn't be surprised if this one is not repaired.
Electric with a third off-set rail, if you look on google maps you can see the third rail on the west side of the bridge, and not on the right hand side.
Daniel
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