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Well done Lewis but to be churlish for a minute...
HAM/VER/BOT (or variations thereof) again? How do we get new talent in with a shout at the WC?
In the last 10 years there have been only 8 new winners. One subsequently went on to be World Champion; only one other has broken into double figures. And two have subsequently retired.
2011 - no new winners
2012 - Rosberg (23, WC, ret), Maldonado (1, ret)
2013 - none
2014 - Ricciardo (7)
2015 - none
2016 - Verstappen (10)
2017 - Bottas (9)
2018 - none
2019 - Leclerc (2)
2020 - Gasly (1), Perez (1)
HAM/VER/BOT (or variations thereof) again? How do we get new talent in with a shout at the WC?
In the last 10 years there have been only 8 new winners. One subsequently went on to be World Champion; only one other has broken into double figures. And two have subsequently retired.
2011 - no new winners
2012 - Rosberg (23, WC, ret), Maldonado (1, ret)
2013 - none
2014 - Ricciardo (7)
2015 - none
2016 - Verstappen (10)
2017 - Bottas (9)
2018 - none
2019 - Leclerc (2)
2020 - Gasly (1), Perez (1)
Halmyre said:
Well done Lewis but to be churlish for a minute...
HAM/VER/BOT (or variations thereof) again? How do we get new talent in with a shout at the WC?
In the last 10 years there have been only 8 new winners. One subsequently went on to be World Champion; only one other has broken into double figures. And two have subsequently retired.
2011 - no new winners
2012 - Rosberg (23, WC, ret), Maldonado (1, ret)
2013 - none
2014 - Ricciardo (7)
2015 - none
2016 - Verstappen (10)
2017 - Bottas (9)
2018 - none
2019 - Leclerc (2)
2020 - Gasly (1), Perez (1)
Welcome to F1, it's nothing new and it isn't something to worry about.HAM/VER/BOT (or variations thereof) again? How do we get new talent in with a shout at the WC?
In the last 10 years there have been only 8 new winners. One subsequently went on to be World Champion; only one other has broken into double figures. And two have subsequently retired.
2011 - no new winners
2012 - Rosberg (23, WC, ret), Maldonado (1, ret)
2013 - none
2014 - Ricciardo (7)
2015 - none
2016 - Verstappen (10)
2017 - Bottas (9)
2018 - none
2019 - Leclerc (2)
2020 - Gasly (1), Perez (1)
Blayney said:
Doesn't this year have the highest percentage of race winners on the grid ever? Looks in good shape to me.
Yep. Ten winners on the grid, and three rookies this season. So only seven of the 20 drivers who started today have raced in F1 before and not won a race. Only a matter of time for Russell, Sainz, Tsunoda and others. ,
Not sure I agree there's a problem. If you just look at Sunday's result, it looks like the same old story, but if you watched the race, positions throughout the field were up for grabs the whole way through. It was an interesting race and the result was unpredictable until the last lap.
Look at the results from last year and it looks like same old story again with Merc dominance but it was one of the most exciting seasons I've ever watched, with new venues, lots of action, very tight battles for points, Russell's chance in the Merc, Perez's amazing win from last place, Hamilton's sensational drive in Turkey when most of the drivers were spinning like Mazepins...
Many people would choose 1988 with Prost vs Senna over any season from the last decade, but if you just look at the numbers it was a McLaren whitewash and with all the teams apart from Ferrari and McLaren abandoning turbo engines, noone was ever going to be competitive apart from those two teams and Ferrari were nowhere close anyway.
14 different new winners in the 1980s, which is better than 8, obviously, but also doesn't take into account that there were only 16 races in a season back then so even more diverse than just those numbers appear... but then watch those old races (they're all available on the F1 app) and see how often the leader more than 30 seconds ahead of the guy in second place, and how careful they have to be when overtaking because the car slides out from under them. They could follow eachother more closely than now, but their cars were nowhere near as stable under braking as modern ones.
The way I see it, if you follow modern Formula 1 by reading the results on the back page of a Monday newspaper, the last few seasons have been rubbish. But if you watch the races and have an interest that stretches beyond who wins it (that sounds patronising but I don't mean it to be), I think we're in a golden era right now. We have the experienced, acknowledged best driver of his generation going for his record breaking 8th title. We have the young gun, fast, wild and with no respect for the establishment, young and hungry, going for his first title, and apparently on the cusp of having the machinery to have a shot at it. This season could well be Days Of Thunder with Formula 1 cars.
I suppose it depends what you get from Formula 1. It's working very well for me at the moment and even if the whole argument revolves around Hamilton as a character - if you're a fan, you can watch him fight for the record. If you don't like him, you might now get to see Verstappen knock him off the top perch at last.
Look at the results from last year and it looks like same old story again with Merc dominance but it was one of the most exciting seasons I've ever watched, with new venues, lots of action, very tight battles for points, Russell's chance in the Merc, Perez's amazing win from last place, Hamilton's sensational drive in Turkey when most of the drivers were spinning like Mazepins...
Many people would choose 1988 with Prost vs Senna over any season from the last decade, but if you just look at the numbers it was a McLaren whitewash and with all the teams apart from Ferrari and McLaren abandoning turbo engines, noone was ever going to be competitive apart from those two teams and Ferrari were nowhere close anyway.
14 different new winners in the 1980s, which is better than 8, obviously, but also doesn't take into account that there were only 16 races in a season back then so even more diverse than just those numbers appear... but then watch those old races (they're all available on the F1 app) and see how often the leader more than 30 seconds ahead of the guy in second place, and how careful they have to be when overtaking because the car slides out from under them. They could follow eachother more closely than now, but their cars were nowhere near as stable under braking as modern ones.
The way I see it, if you follow modern Formula 1 by reading the results on the back page of a Monday newspaper, the last few seasons have been rubbish. But if you watch the races and have an interest that stretches beyond who wins it (that sounds patronising but I don't mean it to be), I think we're in a golden era right now. We have the experienced, acknowledged best driver of his generation going for his record breaking 8th title. We have the young gun, fast, wild and with no respect for the establishment, young and hungry, going for his first title, and apparently on the cusp of having the machinery to have a shot at it. This season could well be Days Of Thunder with Formula 1 cars.
I suppose it depends what you get from Formula 1. It's working very well for me at the moment and even if the whole argument revolves around Hamilton as a character - if you're a fan, you can watch him fight for the record. If you don't like him, you might now get to see Verstappen knock him off the top perch at last.
Edited by kiseca on Tuesday 30th March 10:38
kiseca said:
Not sure I agree there's a problem. If you just look at Sunday's result, it looks like the same old story, but if you watched the race, positions throughout the field were up for grabs the whole way through. It was an interesting race and the result was unpredictable until the last lap.
Look at the results from last year and it looks like same old story again with Merc dominance but it was one of the most exciting seasons I've ever watched, with new venues, lots of action, very tight battles for points, Russell's chance in the Merc, Perez's amazing win from last place, Hamilton's sensational drive in Turkey when most of the drivers were spinning like Mazepins...
Many people would choose 1988 with Prost vs Senna over any season from the last decade, but if you just look at the numbers it was a McLaren whitewash and with all the teams apart from Ferrari and McLaren abandoning turbo engines, noone was ever going to be competitive apart from those two teams and Ferrari were nowhere close anyway.
14 different new winners in the 1980s, which is better than 8, obviously, but also doesn't take into account that there were only 16 races in a season back then so even more diverse than just those numbers appear... but then watch those old races (they're all available on the F1 app) and see how often the leader more than 30 seconds ahead of the guy in second place, and how careful they have to be when overtaking because the car slides out from under them. They could follow eachother more closely than now, but their cars were nowhere near as stable under braking as modern ones.
The way I see it, if you follow modern Formula 1 by reading the results on the back page of a Monday newspaper, the last few seasons have been rubbish. But if you watch the races and have an interest that stretches beyond who wins it (that sounds patronising but I don't mean it to be), I think we're in a golden era right now. We have the experienced, acknowledged best driver of his generation going for his record breaking 8th title. We have the young gun, fast, wild and with no respect for the establishment, young and hungry, going for his first title, and apparently on the cusp of having the machinery to have a shot at it. This season could well be Days Of Thunder with Formula 1 cars.
I suppose it depends what you get from Formula 1. It's working very well for me at the moment and even if the whole argument revolves around Hamilton as a character - if you're a fan, you can watch him fight for the record. If you don't like him, you might now get to see Verstappen knock him off the top perch at last.
Hear, hear.Look at the results from last year and it looks like same old story again with Merc dominance but it was one of the most exciting seasons I've ever watched, with new venues, lots of action, very tight battles for points, Russell's chance in the Merc, Perez's amazing win from last place, Hamilton's sensational drive in Turkey when most of the drivers were spinning like Mazepins...
Many people would choose 1988 with Prost vs Senna over any season from the last decade, but if you just look at the numbers it was a McLaren whitewash and with all the teams apart from Ferrari and McLaren abandoning turbo engines, noone was ever going to be competitive apart from those two teams and Ferrari were nowhere close anyway.
14 different new winners in the 1980s, which is better than 8, obviously, but also doesn't take into account that there were only 16 races in a season back then so even more diverse than just those numbers appear... but then watch those old races (they're all available on the F1 app) and see how often the leader more than 30 seconds ahead of the guy in second place, and how careful they have to be when overtaking because the car slides out from under them. They could follow eachother more closely than now, but their cars were nowhere near as stable under braking as modern ones.
The way I see it, if you follow modern Formula 1 by reading the results on the back page of a Monday newspaper, the last few seasons have been rubbish. But if you watch the races and have an interest that stretches beyond who wins it (that sounds patronising but I don't mean it to be), I think we're in a golden era right now. We have the experienced, acknowledged best driver of his generation going for his record breaking 8th title. We have the young gun, fast, wild and with no respect for the establishment, young and hungry, going for his first title, and apparently on the cusp of having the machinery to have a shot at it. This season could well be Days Of Thunder with Formula 1 cars.
I suppose it depends what you get from Formula 1. It's working very well for me at the moment and even if the whole argument revolves around Hamilton as a character - if you're a fan, you can watch him fight for the record. If you don't like him, you might now get to see Verstappen knock him off the top perch at last.
Edited by kiseca on Tuesday 30th March 10:38
Rare to see someone else's F1 opinion match mine so closely.
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