Older and better, or newer and lesser?
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Thought experiment, as while it's something I am pondering, its not likely to lead to a purchase soon.
Suppose you have a 911 itch. Further suppose that man maths and mission creep leads you down the Turbo track. You end up in a position where both 997 Gen 1 and 996 Turbo S are in the same ballpark of purchase costs.
Which way would you jump, and why?
Suppose you have a 911 itch. Further suppose that man maths and mission creep leads you down the Turbo track. You end up in a position where both 997 Gen 1 and 996 Turbo S are in the same ballpark of purchase costs.
Which way would you jump, and why?
randlemarcus said:
Thought experiment, as while it's something I am pondering, its not likely to lead to a purchase soon.
Suppose you have a 911 itch. Further suppose that man maths and mission creep leads you down the Turbo track. You end up in a position where both 997 Gen 1 and 996 Turbo S are in the same ballpark of purchase costs.
Which way would you jump, and why?
I would absolutely agree with your thoughts, especially as I’ll never be capable of ringing the last 1/10 of a second lap timeout of ether. Suppose you have a 911 itch. Further suppose that man maths and mission creep leads you down the Turbo track. You end up in a position where both 997 Gen 1 and 996 Turbo S are in the same ballpark of purchase costs.
Which way would you jump, and why?
Currently selling my current toy. Then looking for something else to tick of the bucket list. Never owned a Porsche and whilst we can have a discussion over the best handling, newest, most suitable etc, if you are going to own one just once, then it should be a 911. Rather than other worthy models.
I’ve definitely missed the boat on air cooled, so we are in 996/7 territory. I’ve just never got on with the inside or outside of the 996 C2.
The 997 works as a package looks wise for a C2, notwithstanding any possible engine issues. However at that price range the 996 turbo comes into play. Looks wise, it is much more coherent to me.
The other factor that the turbo has in its favour, is that it is available in a much more interesting range of paint and interior colours. Being a bit more shouty, perhaps people were brave enough to be more adventurous with colours. I’ve been idly watching the 997s advertised and am amazed at the constant supply of silver/grey/black with black leather. Didn’t anyone want a bit of joy or colour in their lives when they ordered? Or was it a reflection of that decade? Blue with tan, please.
I sort of feel the turbo may just be a bit more wild, special, unique, whereas the 997 will be more modern, sensible, pragmatic, liveable with. Maybe.
But then also on the list is a Lotus Esprit or Maserati Gransport, so don’t take my thought processes too seriously, I’m a glutton for automotive punishment.
nunpuncher said:
Neither. After a decent amount of time behind the wheel of a turbo I found I prefer the NA cars even if they are slower.
But Boooooost 
Am a bit of a forced induction junkie, I'm afraid. 944 T, Panamera T. I love the character change.
My dad had a 996 C4, so I'm aware that the interior is what it is in the 996. I'm easy either way aesthetically. My suspicion is that a 996TS and a 997TGen 1 are both of a sufficient age to make either a careful buy on condition, and neither one has sunk low enough to be an attractive proposition for someone who would prefer to be running a Micra.
Ongoing values aren't overly important, though if it didnt lose 95% in year one, that would be nice.
Question boils down to the fact that if 996T and 997T were equal in price, it would be the 997T. But throwing the Turbo S into the mix - were the runout improvements enough to tip the balance?
randlemarcus said:
Thought experiment, as while it's something I am pondering, its not likely to lead to a purchase soon.
Suppose you have a 911 itch. Further suppose that man maths and mission creep leads you down the Turbo track. You end up in a position where both 997 Gen 1 and 996 Turbo S are in the same ballpark of purchase costs.
Which way would you jump, and why?
Long time, no see. Hope you're well!Suppose you have a 911 itch. Further suppose that man maths and mission creep leads you down the Turbo track. You end up in a position where both 997 Gen 1 and 996 Turbo S are in the same ballpark of purchase costs.
Which way would you jump, and why?
I'm biased, having gone down the modified 996 route 11 years ago (still have it), could have got the 997 with VTG, better looking yes, but 996 proven robustness for big outputs.
I'd think you might be struggling for a good S model 996 for similar money, or perhaps have good 997's started to rise again. As you say, for this age, condition is critical.
Have you discounted a 996 turbo altogether? There's a few interesting cars on the market and it'd be a great time to be a cash buyer I think.
Afternoon Stu,
Very well. You?
Haven't discounted the 996T, and then playing, but I need to present a realistic budget for approval before going off down that route 996TS values are a bit up in the air - some folks think very low mileage is an instant high price. Am buying to use, not to store. Once you start looking its only a tiny jump from T to TS, right?
This one looks like its had some thoughtful part swaps - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102128...
As of right now, its still a thought, not a burning wallet
Very well. You?
Haven't discounted the 996T, and then playing, but I need to present a realistic budget for approval before going off down that route
996TS values are a bit up in the air - some folks think very low mileage is an instant high price. Am buying to use, not to store. Once you start looking its only a tiny jump from T to TS, right?This one looks like its had some thoughtful part swaps - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102128...
As of right now, its still a thought, not a burning wallet
IMI A said:
I had this choice back in 2005/2006. Chose to stick an order in for the 997 turbo instead of walking out wth a deeply discounted old new 996 turbo s lying around in stock. Pleased I did as 997 has aged well. Still looks modern today IMO next to newer stuff
I think both 996 and 997 turbo's have aged OK! 
malcolm-coqci said:
Fairly certain the 996 turbo s had ceramic brakes as standard and having had a Cayman R with same I can vouch for them being absolutely superb, but have you seen how much a set of discs cost?
All it would take is a trapped stone in a calliper for a really bad day!
Yup, aware of those, the first service with discs and pads all round on the Panny was painful enough, and they were steels All it would take is a trapped stone in a calliper for a really bad day!
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