Ducati 1198, money pit?
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Like any Desmo engine of this era it'll need regular belts and valve clearances doing, which can be expensive to pay someone to do as well as the usual oil changes etc.
If you buy an unused bike then you might have niggles to deal with when it's pressed back into service, and if it's anything like my Monster (same age), you'll need a battery conditioner on it unless you use it at least once a week for a decent length trip. It'd also be wise to stick a fresh battery in it if it's more than a couple of years old.
If used really hard on track I believe they can have oil starvation issues, but if it's just for the road they're very reliable overall, just needs the maintenance keeping up with.
If you buy an unused bike then you might have niggles to deal with when it's pressed back into service, and if it's anything like my Monster (same age), you'll need a battery conditioner on it unless you use it at least once a week for a decent length trip. It'd also be wise to stick a fresh battery in it if it's more than a couple of years old.
If used really hard on track I believe they can have oil starvation issues, but if it's just for the road they're very reliable overall, just needs the maintenance keeping up with.
blade7 said:
Servicing costs I can swallow, it's things like the gearbox, electrics, pistons etc that concern me.
3rd gear dogs are prone to issues, especially if the big has a quick shifter....Sprag clutches are susceptible to failure particularly when the batteries is low....
Both require a full engine rebuild ($$$$$)
Steve Bass said:
blade7 said:
Servicing costs I can swallow, it's things like the gearbox, electrics, pistons etc that concern me.
3rd gear dogs are prone to issues, especially if the big has a quick shifter....Sprag clutches are susceptible to failure particularly when the batteries is low....
Both require a full engine rebuild ($$$$$)
Edited by blade7 on Tuesday 6th April 00:08
blade7 said:
Just watched a youtube tutorial on a 1098, and it looked like the Sprag clutch can be done just removing the cover?
From a quick snoop around I think it's that replacement before it fails it's fine, but if it fails badly it's often damaging the idler gear which needs sorting with engine out and split cases etc...I had the 1198S for a year 2009/2010.
Loved it, handling, brakes and torque that I still remember fondly.. Excellent on track once dialled in and a monster on the road with nicely damped Ohlins but.....
One issue I had from new (and never got to the bottom of) was the traction control cutting power once the front wheel landed after wheelies. We’re not talking 3 mile mingers here, just simple lifts that a low weight/high torque bike produces as soon as you give it more than 50% throttle. On more than one occasion I nearly pivoted over the bars at considerable speed.
After years of inline 4s you really need to try one before you buy - while massively torque the spread of power can feel a little limited. Mine was standard (still quite loud) but was useless below 2500 rpm and little power above around 9000.
Loved it, handling, brakes and torque that I still remember fondly.. Excellent on track once dialled in and a monster on the road with nicely damped Ohlins but.....
One issue I had from new (and never got to the bottom of) was the traction control cutting power once the front wheel landed after wheelies. We’re not talking 3 mile mingers here, just simple lifts that a low weight/high torque bike produces as soon as you give it more than 50% throttle. On more than one occasion I nearly pivoted over the bars at considerable speed.
After years of inline 4s you really need to try one before you buy - while massively torque the spread of power can feel a little limited. Mine was standard (still quite loud) but was useless below 2500 rpm and little power above around 9000.
legzr1 said:
One issue I had from new (and never got to the bottom of) was the traction control cutting power once the front wheel landed after wheelies. We’re not talking 3 mile mingers here, just simple lifts that a low weight/high torque bike produces as soon as you give it more than 50% throttle. On more than one occasion I nearly pivoted over the bars at considerable speed.
Answer from an old PH thread:Steve Bass said:
The TC is calibrated to a particular tyre. Change of brand and the TC can get its knickers in a twist.
There's a TC Pod available that modifies the signal and effectively recalibrate the TC. From the same people who supply the Nemesis TC System.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...There's a TC Pod available that modifies the signal and effectively recalibrate the TC. From the same people who supply the Nemesis TC System.
Krikkit said:
blade7 said:
Just watched a youtube tutorial on a 1098, and it looked like the Sprag clutch can be done just removing the cover?
From a quick snoop around I think it's that replacement before it fails it's fine, but if it fails badly it's often damaging the idler gear which needs sorting with engine out and split cases etc...legzr1 said:
I had the 1198S for a year 2009/2010.
Loved it, handling, brakes and torque that I still remember fondly.. Excellent on track once dialled in and a monster on the road with nicely damped Ohlins but.....
After years of inline 4s you really need to try one before you buy - while massively torque the spread of power can feel a little limited. Mine was standard (still quite loud) but was useless below 2500 rpm and little power above around 9000.
I nearly bought a new one in 2011, I loved the look of it, but ultimately choked at paying over £16k. I'd bought my K6 1000 new from them, and they confirmed the Ducati would be different, just not faster. I fancy one for the looks, noise and the torque. But, something like a 1198 Corse or SP is new GSX-R1000R money.Loved it, handling, brakes and torque that I still remember fondly.. Excellent on track once dialled in and a monster on the road with nicely damped Ohlins but.....
After years of inline 4s you really need to try one before you buy - while massively torque the spread of power can feel a little limited. Mine was standard (still quite loud) but was useless below 2500 rpm and little power above around 9000.
How much $$$ do you have to spend? I'm just wondering whether an 1199 is within budget?
The 1098/1198 were the last of the belt drive SBK's, servicing is a must obviously, if it's got Ohlin's no doubt you'll need seals at some point, pretty standard on Ohlins forks. Electrical stuff is pretty buletproof nowadays, although given the age I'd be expecting at least a battery change, as has been mentioned started sprag clutch may go, but it's not hugely common.
Clutch plates/basket will possibly need replacing, last of the dry clutches (not counting SL/SP variants on the Panigale).
Overall it's a pretty reliable package, but it'll feel heavy/slow compared to the Jap equivalents, the 1199 is a leap forward in terms of reliability, flickability etc though.
The 1098/1198 were the last of the belt drive SBK's, servicing is a must obviously, if it's got Ohlin's no doubt you'll need seals at some point, pretty standard on Ohlins forks. Electrical stuff is pretty buletproof nowadays, although given the age I'd be expecting at least a battery change, as has been mentioned started sprag clutch may go, but it's not hugely common.
Clutch plates/basket will possibly need replacing, last of the dry clutches (not counting SL/SP variants on the Panigale).
Overall it's a pretty reliable package, but it'll feel heavy/slow compared to the Jap equivalents, the 1199 is a leap forward in terms of reliability, flickability etc though.
blade7 said:
Just about everyone I've spoken to, weren't very complimentary about the 1199, I'd probably go for a 1299. But it's the 1198 that I fancy really.
I've had an 1199 (Tricolore) and currently have a 1299S, there's not that much difference but it is an improvement. Probably out of your budget for a 1299 though.blade7 said:
Just about everyone I've spoken to, weren't very complimentary about the 1199, I'd probably go for a 1299. But it's the 1198 that I fancy really.
1199 is an awesome weapon, yes the 1299 is a slight step up but its not night and day and having flitted between both on trackdays, unless you are Scott Redding you'll not notice ...dibblecorse said:
1199 is an awesome weapon, yes the 1299 is a slight step up but its not night and day and having flitted between both on trackdays, unless you are Scott Redding you'll not notice ...
Yep, exactly... the electronics are slightly better as in you can change tyre size and the traction control will adjust and it has an up/down Quickshifter/blipper which the 1199 only has a Q/S, geometry has slightly changed, not that I noticed.dibblecorse said:
blade7 said:
Just about everyone I've spoken to, weren't very complimentary about the 1199, I'd probably go for a 1299. But it's the 1198 that I fancy really.
1199 is an awesome weapon, yes the 1299 is a slight step up but its not night and day and having flitted between both on trackdays, unless you are Scott Redding you'll not notice ...Until you ride and own a Ducati you will realise it's not all about power and straight line speed, I sound like a cliche there but it's true.
The front feels planted, the handling is sublime, you can chuck them into a corner and they'll hold their line like no IL4. That being said a big twin will never be good around town <30mph, but you can reduce the discomfort by changing the gearing (drop 1T off the front is the cheapest option), probably already been done if you are looking at 2nd hand bikes. The weight on your wrists as slower speeds is noticeable also, over the years the riding position has improved no end, when I had a 996 it crippled you, the 999 was slightly better, likewise the 1098 and then subsequent panigale's.
The 1098/1198 will also have heavier clutch master/slave cylinders over later models, if you're shifting it's not an issue, but again around town you'll be cursing, again you can fit an aftermarket clutch slave cylinder to reduce this, Oberon, JHP to name two.
The 1098/1198 do have more torque/mid-range grunt over the later 1199/1299's but lets be realistic here it's still more/in-line with current IL4's anyway and on the road it's more than enough believe me, on a track you get to stretch it's legs fully as Dibble has said. I've seen 189mph (GPS) out of my 1299 on the back straight at Aragon so I don't think it lacks grunt off the tight turn onto the 1km straight there.
The front feels planted, the handling is sublime, you can chuck them into a corner and they'll hold their line like no IL4. That being said a big twin will never be good around town <30mph, but you can reduce the discomfort by changing the gearing (drop 1T off the front is the cheapest option), probably already been done if you are looking at 2nd hand bikes. The weight on your wrists as slower speeds is noticeable also, over the years the riding position has improved no end, when I had a 996 it crippled you, the 999 was slightly better, likewise the 1098 and then subsequent panigale's.
The 1098/1198 will also have heavier clutch master/slave cylinders over later models, if you're shifting it's not an issue, but again around town you'll be cursing, again you can fit an aftermarket clutch slave cylinder to reduce this, Oberon, JHP to name two.
The 1098/1198 do have more torque/mid-range grunt over the later 1199/1299's but lets be realistic here it's still more/in-line with current IL4's anyway and on the road it's more than enough believe me, on a track you get to stretch it's legs fully as Dibble has said. I've seen 189mph (GPS) out of my 1299 on the back straight at Aragon so I don't think it lacks grunt off the tight turn onto the 1km straight there.
Freakuk said:
Until you ride and own a Ducati you will realise it's not all about power and straight line speed, I sound like a cliche there but it's true.
I think you've misunderstood me. If I wanted that, I'd buy another new BMW S1000RR. I just fancy something with a lot of torque, that looks and sounds nice now. And I'm probably past caring if 190 bhp bikes can kick it's arse.Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff