Putin forever!
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Read an article that Putin has changed the rules again in Russia that would allow him to say in for two more terms as President so up to 2036 (which would make him the longest serving leader since the revolution).
I suppose his problem is that with the number of enemies he has made (the ones still left alive of course), if he leaves power his life expectancy might not be too high. Given how many people seem to fall out of Russian hospital windows he wouldn’t want to get sick.
Looking at a recent picture of Putin he doesn’t seem to have aged much since he came to power. Assuming it isn’t photoshopping has he done a deal with the devil? Or perhaps there is a really hideous picture in a secret loft somewhere.
I suppose his problem is that with the number of enemies he has made (the ones still left alive of course), if he leaves power his life expectancy might not be too high. Given how many people seem to fall out of Russian hospital windows he wouldn’t want to get sick.
Looking at a recent picture of Putin he doesn’t seem to have aged much since he came to power. Assuming it isn’t photoshopping has he done a deal with the devil? Or perhaps there is a really hideous picture in a secret loft somewhere.
I met a very astute Russian Lady a few weeks ago, who’d lived in London past 20 years. Moved from Russia because it was so crap 20 years ago. Regularly returns though for holidays etc, and claimed Russia has improved immeasurably in that time, thanks to Putin. Although most Russians are aware Putin is associated with corruption etc, the pros far out way the cons. She claimed that was the view of most Russians. If that were the case, why not have a democratic vote on it?
I knew Russians 20 years ago whose parents still mourned the passing of Stalin for similar reasons, and Poles today who miss communism because of the certainty their lives had.
From our vantage of freedom and relative prosperity, it's easy (and right) to criticise the corruption of Putin and the horrors of Stalin but for those average citizens living in those countries, they had predictability in their lives, and a guarantee that they would continue to receive an income. Capitalism has removed that certainly.
From our vantage of freedom and relative prosperity, it's easy (and right) to criticise the corruption of Putin and the horrors of Stalin but for those average citizens living in those countries, they had predictability in their lives, and a guarantee that they would continue to receive an income. Capitalism has removed that certainly.
I think Putin has successfully kept a lid on the potentially much more corrupt and lawless state that Russia could have found itself in otherwise.
Remember the 2018 football World Cup? Remember how little hooliganism there was? There was a reason for that and Putin had the reach and authority to enact it.
Remember the 2018 football World Cup? Remember how little hooliganism there was? There was a reason for that and Putin had the reach and authority to enact it.
Esceptico said:
Read an article that Putin has changed the rules again in Russia that would allow him to say in for two more terms as President so up to 2036 (which would make him the longest serving leader since the revolution).
I suppose his problem is that with the number of enemies he has made (the ones still left alive of course), if he leaves power his life expectancy might not be too high. Given how many people seem to fall out of Russian hospital windows he wouldn’t want to get sick.
Looking at a recent picture of Putin he doesn’t seem to have aged much since he came to power. Assuming it isn’t photoshopping has he done a deal with the devil? Or perhaps there is a really hideous picture in a secret loft somewhere.
I think you have hit the nail on the head there.I suppose his problem is that with the number of enemies he has made (the ones still left alive of course), if he leaves power his life expectancy might not be too high. Given how many people seem to fall out of Russian hospital windows he wouldn’t want to get sick.
Looking at a recent picture of Putin he doesn’t seem to have aged much since he came to power. Assuming it isn’t photoshopping has he done a deal with the devil? Or perhaps there is a really hideous picture in a secret loft somewhere.
Yes, Russia may have improved considerably over the last 20 years, but Putin and a couple of hundred people close to him have quite literally raped the living daylights out of the country and stolen as much as was humanly possible.
I have read numerous articles analysing the state of play in Russia and most suggest that Putin will be imprisoned/killed if he ever leaves power, simply because he and his mates have basically robbed millions of people and everyone knows it, and a lot semi-powerful people are extremely angry indeed, but can't do anything to him right now.
He is clearly staying in power to preserve his own life, and the life of his family and friends.
That being said, what is the alternative? Can you imagine the mess and the power struggles that would take place if Putin wasn't still there?
As much as I hate Putin for being a corrupt murderous psychopath, sometimes countries 'need' someone like him to maintain some sort of semblance of order.
Lord Marylebone said:
Esceptico said:
Read an article that Putin has changed the rules again in Russia that would allow him to say in for two more terms as President so up to 2036 (which would make him the longest serving leader since the revolution).
I suppose his problem is that with the number of enemies he has made (the ones still left alive of course), if he leaves power his life expectancy might not be too high. Given how many people seem to fall out of Russian hospital windows he wouldn’t want to get sick.
Looking at a recent picture of Putin he doesn’t seem to have aged much since he came to power. Assuming it isn’t photoshopping has he done a deal with the devil? Or perhaps there is a really hideous picture in a secret loft somewhere.
I think you have hit the nail on the head there.I suppose his problem is that with the number of enemies he has made (the ones still left alive of course), if he leaves power his life expectancy might not be too high. Given how many people seem to fall out of Russian hospital windows he wouldn’t want to get sick.
Looking at a recent picture of Putin he doesn’t seem to have aged much since he came to power. Assuming it isn’t photoshopping has he done a deal with the devil? Or perhaps there is a really hideous picture in a secret loft somewhere.
Yes, Russia may have improved considerably over the last 20 years, but Putin and a couple of hundred people close to him have quite literally raped the living daylights out of the country and stolen as much as was humanly possible.
I have read numerous articles analysing the state of play in Russia and most suggest that Putin will be imprisoned/killed if he ever leaves power, simply because he and his mates have basically robbed millions of people and everyone knows it, and a lot semi-powerful people are extremely angry indeed, but can't do anything to him right now.
He is clearly staying in power to preserve his own life, and the life of his family and friends.
That being said, what is the alternative? Can you imagine the mess and the power struggles that would take place if Putin wasn't still there?
As much as I hate Putin for being a corrupt murderous psychopath, sometimes countries 'need' someone like him to maintain some sort of semblance of order.
Look what happened in Libya the moment a strong leader was removed.
Although it’s not audited anywhere for obvious reasons, Putin is the worlds richest man and could well have raped the country for well over $200 billion whilst he’s been in power. Nice!
Horsey McHorseface said:
I met a very astute Russian Lady a few weeks ago, who’d lived in London past 20 years. Moved from Russia because it was so crap 20 years ago. Regularly returns though for holidays etc, and claimed Russia has improved immeasurably in that time, thanks to Putin. Although most Russians are aware Putin is associated with corruption etc, the pros far out way the cons. She claimed that was the view of most Russians. If that were the case, why not have a democratic vote on it?
Why cause problems by getting involved in democracy when your Country is going from strength to strength.
gts.981 said:
Totally!
Look what happened in Libya the moment a strong leader was removed.
Although it’s not audited anywhere for obvious reasons, Putin is the worlds richest man and could well have raped the country for well over $200 billion whilst he’s been in power. Nice!
Was just about to post the same, world's richest person, salary something like £150k.Look what happened in Libya the moment a strong leader was removed.
Although it’s not audited anywhere for obvious reasons, Putin is the worlds richest man and could well have raped the country for well over $200 billion whilst he’s been in power. Nice!
Horsey McHorseface said:
I met a very astute Russian Lady a few weeks ago, who’d lived in London past 20 years. Moved from Russia because it was so crap 20 years ago. Regularly returns though for holidays etc, and claimed Russia has improved immeasurably in that time, thanks to Putin. Although most Russians are aware Putin is associated with corruption etc, the pros far out way the cons. She claimed that was the view of most Russians. If that were the case, why not have a democratic vote on it?
I’ve had a few Russian girlfriends. They and all their Russian friends agree with the above. Russians also like having a strong and assertive leader.Putin may well have enemies, but I doubt any of them are strong enough to topple him.
shirt said:
I’ve had a few Russian girlfriends. They and all their Russian friends agree with the above. Russians also like having a strong and assertive leader.
Putin may well have enemies, but I doubt any of them are strong enough to topple him.
I also agree that people are generally supportive of him. Would rather have a leader like Putin than the clowns we have right now.Putin may well have enemies, but I doubt any of them are strong enough to topple him.
Mars said:
I knew Russians 20 years ago whose parents still mourned the passing of Stalin for similar reasons, and Poles today who miss communism because of the certainty their lives had.
From our vantage of freedom and relative prosperity, it's easy (and right) to criticise the corruption of Putin and the horrors of Stalin but for those average citizens living in those countries, they had predictability in their lives, and a guarantee that they would continue to receive an income. Capitalism has removed that certainly.
The only Poles I've ever met who miss communism are the youngsters who never experienced it. Those who actually lived it tend to have a different perspective.From our vantage of freedom and relative prosperity, it's easy (and right) to criticise the corruption of Putin and the horrors of Stalin but for those average citizens living in those countries, they had predictability in their lives, and a guarantee that they would continue to receive an income. Capitalism has removed that certainly.
It could be much much worse than Putin.
Unlike some of the alternatives at least he's sane and clever enough to play the role of strongman leader without taking it too far.
And right now Vlad doesn't look too bad compared to Boris - at least with Vlad you don't get the bulls
t before you get fked.
Unlike some of the alternatives at least he's sane and clever enough to play the role of strongman leader without taking it too far.
And right now Vlad doesn't look too bad compared to Boris - at least with Vlad you don't get the bulls
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