Faster Internet options

[AndyC_123]

Hi

Looking at a rural house that only has a copper line going to it.

I’m not very tech savvy, so would anyone be able to advise the options for faster internet? Would be looking to run a small business from there with 5 or 6 people using computers.



Thanks

[skilly1]

Elon musk has launched starlink. Around £500 for kit and £99 a month and it gets you 50 to 150 Mb per second. Runs off satellite, and available to most of England later this year.

Another option is seeing if you get a good 4G mobile signal there, you can then buy an unlimited data Sim put it into a router and run your Internet off that. Around £30pm. Should get you 30mbs.

[anonymous-user]

Elon Musk satellites https://www.starlink.com/

or

Radio broadband, something like https://www.w3z.co.uk/

[Harpoon]

AndyC_123 said:

Hi

Looking at a rural house that only has a copper line going to it.

I’m not very tech savvy, so would anyone be able to advise the options for faster internet? Would be looking to run a small business from there with 5 or 6 people using computers.



Thanks

Have you checked what "standard" services are available? If you have a phone number (best) or postcode (worse) bung them in the BT checker:

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADS...

Could be a FTTP (Fibre To The Premise) option the previous owner hadn't taken up, either from BT or a community scheme (depending on the area).

[mattley]

AndyC_123 said:

I’m not very tech savvy, so would anyone be able to advise the options for faster internet? Would be looking to run a small business from there with 5 or 6 people using computers.

Once you hit 5 people call your local BT business centre and ask for a leased line. Ask for 100MB over a GB bearer and you'll probably get 1GB for less than £500 pcm.

That might sound like a lot but best ever internet for 10% of the wage bill....

[Gameface]

Harpoon said:

Have you checked what "standard" services are available? If you have a phone number (best) or postcode (worse) bung them in the BT checker:

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADS...

Could be a FTTP (Fibre To The Premise) option the previous owner hadn't taken up, either from BT or a community scheme (depending on the area).

I'm renovating a place now and this is the answers I get from the above checker using the postcode.



Is that any good?

[bimsb6]

Gameface said:

Harpoon said:

Have you checked what "standard" services are available? If you have a phone number (best) or postcode (worse) bung them in the BT checker:

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADS...

Could be a FTTP (Fibre To The Premise) option the previous owner hadn't taken up, either from BT or a community scheme (depending on the area).

I'm renovating a place now and this is the answers I get from the above checker using the postcode.



Is that any good?

You must be next door to the cabinet for those figures .

[PushedDover]

I put an external Aerial and 4G router.
Mesh network and solid 40-60mb download. Great VFM and success

[Gameface]

I know absolutely nothing about this sort of thing. I'm just doing the house up to keep me busy during the lockdown.

It's good is it then?

Nothing is hooked up yet at house. Just had electricians in for a first fit and they've put in wiring for spotlights, switches, plugs, doorbell, TV points on walls and internet wiring in etc.

That checker I screenshoted says FFTP is available so does that mean I don't need a landline? There is one but I don't know the number. Ripped if out.

Feel a cretin asking such basic questions.

Thanks in advance.

[BigTZ4M]

Gameface said:

I know absolutely nothing about this sort of thing. I'm just doing the house up to keep me busy during the lockdown.

It's good is it then?

Nothing is hooked up yet at house. Just had electricians in for a first fit and they've put in wiring for spotlights, switches, plugs, doorbell, TV points on walls and internet wiring in etc.

That checker I screenshoted says FFTP is available so does that mean I don't need a landline? There is one but I don't know the number. Ripped if out.

Feel a cretin asking such basic questions.

Thanks in advance.

It is as good as you can get for normal FTTC.

The screenshot actually says FTTPoD is available which isn't the same as full fibre FTTP new builds, hyperoptic, Virgin etc. provide. It means they can spur off a fibre aggregation node 'near' your house to provide you a fibre link - there won't be one there right now in all likelihood. It's usually very expensive to setup because you have to pay for the civil engineering works to run the fibre from the node to your house. Think many thousands as a minimum and quite easily five figures in most cases. Then it's about £100/mo for 300/30. You can place an enquiry with someone like these people https://www.cerberusnetworks.co.uk/connectivity-br... who will then do a desktop survey for free to give you a ball park installation cost. Then if you like the price you pay a £250 non-refundable deposit for an engineer to visit and price it up accurately. It's only really viable if you're loaded or can persuade neighbours to go in with you on the installation costs. They contribute and take a line off the one being run to your house.

[theboss]

Or if the neighbours suspect you want it more than they do, they'll wait for you to bear the install cost then order as soon as its available in their neighbourhood (thanks to you)

Re leased line costs mentioned above - the excess construction charges work similarly to FTTPoD. In both instances I've had this done the desk survey said "yeah we think we can hook you up". First quote was £112k, the second £52k and I'll have the best of three shortly as they've asked if they can do another one.

[Bill]

AndyC_123 said:

Hi

Looking at a rural house that only has a copper line going to it.

I’m not very tech savvy, so would anyone be able to advise the options for faster internet? Would be looking to run a small business from there with 5 or 6 people using computers.



Thanks

It depends how far from the exchange/cabinet you are and how old the cable is, plus whether you can get FTTC. We're about 2 miles away and were getting 2mbs on a good day, FTTC came along and that got us 7mbs. Then they turned up and started cutting the trees to clear a route for the fibre cable! We're on the lowest rate and get 30mbs (iirc) and don't know what to do with ourselves.

[Mr Pointy]

AndyC_123 said:

Looking at a rural house that only has a copper line going to it.

I’m not very tech savvy, so would anyone be able to advise the options for faster internet? Would be looking to run a small business from there with 5 or 6 people using computers.

Sadly OP you've had your thread hijacked but coming back to what you need. Firstly, have you found out what speed you can get at the new location? Either get the current occupants to do a speed test or try & get the phone number & enter it here to find out what you are likley to get:

https://www.zen.co.uk/business/small-business/prod...
https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADS...

Whether the connection will be adequate will depend on what business you are in. If it's a graphics heavy one then you may struggle but if it's not you may find it's workable. One key issue is upload bandwidth, especially if you use Office 365 & the like & remote storage. Just because it's got a copper line doesn't mean you can't get quite decent speeds - I get 72Mbps down & 18Mbps up on a copper FTTC line. Of course FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) would be better, but plenty of businesses manage without.

[AndyC_123]

Crikey and I was squawking about paying £50 a month for broadband!

Run that test above



The 4g sim router looks like a good option too

Bunch of good blokes aren't you, thank you

[Mr Pointy]

AndyC_123 said:

Crikey and I was squawking about paying £50 a month for broadband!

Run that test above



The 4g sim router looks like a good option too

Bunch of good blokes aren't you, thank you

Have you cut off the bit above "Featured Products" as that is where the VDSL speeds are.

[rxe]

Depends how rural and the precise routing.

According to BT, our house has FTTC and we can get 90 Mbit down. We can’t - we can get 15 Mbit tops. There’s nothing wrong, we’re just too far from the cabinet. Every provider will use the same base data, they will all promise the earth .... and the fail to deliver.

So your situation may be:

Cabinet near the house = great, 90+ Mbit
Cabinet miles away = pants, 10Mbit.

4G is not a bad option, but poor broadband provision and crap phone signals go hand in hand. Do you have a fat 4G signal from the location?

You can run a business on 10Mbit, unless you’re in the video business.

IMO Starlink is the solution to all broadband problems. We’ve ordered it, can’t wait.

[LooneyTunes]

You should definitely speak to Cerberus about the free desktop survey. It could be very close by indeed in which case the install charges wouldn’t necessarily be outrageous, but the install can take time to arrange.