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parrot of doom said:
I fail to see how placing pedestrians in more danger is friendlier.
It's very good for pedestrians! It means they are reclaiming the streets.
In Nottingham the reclaim is accompanied by 'speed pads' which are probably guaranteed to cause suspension damage at more than 5 mph. Which is odd 'cos the route which offend the most always was a regular run for the fire and ambulance services.
As I don't work in Nottingham now and rarely visit (unless there is a PH gathering ;-) ) does anyone else know if Maid Marian Way is still used by the Fire and Ambulance teams?
As for the London North Circular - I guess people will just find other routes. After a while they will give up their cars, which will presumably mean they will be less likely to clog up the M1 every Friday and Sunday evening, and use Red Ken's public transport whenever it is not self combusting above ground or subject to terrorist threats.
Flat in Fifth said:
Are you saying that Maid Marian way is afflicted with speed bumps?
Why is there never a "I am utterly gobsmacked" smiley when you want one.
They have filled in all the subways.
Put in pedestrian friendly zebra crossings.
And, yes, speed "tables" are part of the "improvements".
So not quite as bad as the Woodborough Road into the centre or Derby Road, Stapleford.
Oh, and they've narrowed it, taken out the roundabouts, opened up the central reservation, and put in lots of nice bus friendly traffic light controlled junctions.
Parliament Street is semi pedestrianised and about to be closed to "ordinary" traffic.
As is the town end of Mansfield Road (final nail in the coffin of the alternative road route to the tram).
So if you were thinking of going to Nottingham:
Don't bother bringing the car!
(Oh, and they've started narrowing the Boulevards too!)
Did anyone here see: "Car Nation" last night on TV?
I was amused by the "village" mums who wanted a By-pass (to save their kiddies),............ argueing with the greens (I think that T2000 was mentioned) that a By-pass would "cut down some old trees"!
The "Authorities it seemed, chose to build a two lane "dual carriageway" to By-Pass a "VILLAGE"!...............Why?........ wouldn't a normal type: "A" road do? curving around the trees?...... Does everything HAVE to be BIG these days and straight?
Or did I miss something?
I was amused by the "village" mums who wanted a By-pass (to save their kiddies),............ argueing with the greens (I think that T2000 was mentioned) that a By-pass would "cut down some old trees"!
The "Authorities it seemed, chose to build a two lane "dual carriageway" to By-Pass a "VILLAGE"!...............Why?........ wouldn't a normal type: "A" road do? curving around the trees?...... Does everything HAVE to be BIG these days and straight?
Or did I miss something?
8Pack said:Big, straight and probably with a 50mph limit ... and a speed camera because of the previous KSIs in the nearby village! - Streaky
The "Authorities it seemed, chose to build a two lane "dual carriageway" to By-Pass a "VILLAGE"!...............Why?........ wouldn't a normal type: "A" road do? curving around the trees?...... Does everything HAVE to be BIG these days and straight?
There's too much of this bonkers influence in councils already...increased pedestrian islands, crossings, tables and so on, all designed to create traffic congestion, fumes, pollution.
Pedestrian bridges used to be the sensible answer (where possible) - no hinderence to traffic flow and complete safety for pedestrians, but of course that's too sensible now.
Pedestrian bridges used to be the sensible answer (where possible) - no hinderence to traffic flow and complete safety for pedestrians, but of course that's too sensible now.
D Fender said:
Are you saying that Maid Marian way is afflicted with speed bumps?
Why is there never a "I am utterly gobsmacked" smiley when you want one.
They have filled in all the subways.
Put in pedestrian friendly zebra crossings.
And, yes, speed "tables" are part of the "improvements".
So not quite as bad as the Woodborough Road into the centre or Derby Road, Stapleford.
Oh, and they've narrowed it, taken out the roundabouts, opened up the central reservation, and put in lots of nice bus friendly traffic light controlled junctions.
Parliament Street is semi pedestrianised and about to be closed to "ordinary" traffic.
As is the town end of Mansfield Road (final nail in the coffin of the alternative road route to the tram).
So if you were thinking of going to Nottingham:
Don't bother bringing the car!
(Oh, and they've started narrowing the Boulevards too!)
Funny how this coincided with the end of my trips to Nottingham. If anyone from Nottingham chamber of commerce is reading and you haven't yet figured out why revenue is down, here's your answer!
Thanks for that explanation D Fender.
Do you remember the Lilac Leopard experiment?
I was around Notty in the early 70s when the council went anti car before.
They made life as difficult as possible with one ways, bus gates, no right / left turns. Sometimes you had to drive a mile round the houses to get to the next street. All in the name of frustrating the motorist.
The council bought a fleet of Leyland Leopard coaches, painted them lilac and named them Lilac Leopards. When I say lilac I do mean
LILAC! 
The council set up a ring of car parks around the outer ring road, with a FREE park and ride operation to encourage bus use and discourage the motorist.
Result? The British motorist said
you council muppets, I've paid for my car and I'm going to drive it. So the operation was disbanded and Barton buses got a lot of cheap new-ish buses for not much more than the cost of a repaint job.
I do believe that was also under a Labour Govt.
Now what is that phrase I'm thinking of, something about resistance to learning....
Do you remember the Lilac Leopard experiment?
I was around Notty in the early 70s when the council went anti car before.
They made life as difficult as possible with one ways, bus gates, no right / left turns. Sometimes you had to drive a mile round the houses to get to the next street. All in the name of frustrating the motorist.
The council bought a fleet of Leyland Leopard coaches, painted them lilac and named them Lilac Leopards. When I say lilac I do mean
LILAC! The council set up a ring of car parks around the outer ring road, with a FREE park and ride operation to encourage bus use and discourage the motorist.
Result? The British motorist said
you council muppets, I've paid for my car and I'm going to drive it. So the operation was disbanded and Barton buses got a lot of cheap new-ish buses for not much more than the cost of a repaint job. I do believe that was also under a Labour Govt.
Now what is that phrase I'm thinking of, something about resistance to learning....
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