Massive rise (84%) in female sex abuse cases ?
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From the bbc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55338745
Latest example
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/...
Mmm..
Some more female abusers
https://www.facebook.com/UKdatabaseREAL/posts/a-fe...
https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/19014346.woman-...
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yor...
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
https://www.facebook.com/UKdatabaseREAL/posts/a-fe...
https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/19014346.woman-...
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yor...
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
From the bbc article linked above
In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
rover 623gsi said:
From the bbc article linked above
In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
Correct , I fully agree In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
rover 623gsi said:
From the bbc article linked above
In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
What’s your point? That it’s not important? This isn’t about men, this is about women committing abuse and how it is under reported and has a huge stigma. Your comment is of no relevance and can only be seen as an attempt to minimise the issue.In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
Electro1980 said:
rover 623gsi said:
From the bbc article linked above
In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
What’s your point? That it’s not important? This isn’t about men, this is about women committing abuse and how it is under reported and has a huge stigma. Your comment is of no relevance and can only be seen as an attempt to minimise the issue.In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
Misanthrope said:
Iwantafusca said:
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
Yes, but didn't you know that whenever a woman commits a crime it's only because some evil man coerced/groomed her into doing it? So it's still men's fault...Hard to imagine that if they knew a bloke had done it then it wouldn't be a manhunt for a murderer/manslaughter.
as a slight aside...
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/2136685/lu...
LUCY HUNTER BLACKBURN: Does it matter if someone was born male or female? When it comes to crime reporting, yes
When does it matter to know whether someone was born male or female? This question has recently become the focus of a sensitive debate.
Early this year several papers reported that a woman had been found guilty of downloading horrifying videos of child sexual abuse.
It is extremely rare for women to be convicted of such offences. So a case like this stands out and is newsworthy. It nudges us towards thinking a little differently about women.
But should it? What happens if it emerges that a person convicted in these circumstances was born male?
The press reports in such cases will take their lead from advice issued to the courts and the media about how to handle cases involving transgender people.
They have been told that as far as possible, people should be described based on whether they identify as a woman or a man (their “gender identity”), and their sex treated as private information.
Many might assume that such advice only affects the very small number of people who have either undergone what is sometimes called sex change surgery, and/or have gone through the formal process of changing their sex in law.
But the advice here covers a much larger group, to which neither of these conditions apply.
Nor is this just about individual cases. It also affects the reliability of the figures that underpin policy-making and resource allocation.
Rise in abuse cases raises questions
It was recently reported in England that the number of women convicted of child sexual abuse had nearly doubled in the last five years.
But it turned out that no-one could say how much of this increase was because the authorities have begun to record cases as female that in the past would have been logged as male.
A recent FoI response from Police Scotland suggests the same problem will apply here.
It said that if a rape or attempted rape is perpetrated by a “male who self-identifies as a woman … the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.”
Recording gender identity instead of sex is mainly justified by privacy concerns. There are times when it really is no-one’s else’s business what sex another person is.
But there are also times when accurately reporting sex matters, because the experiences and behaviours of men and women are so different.
At the heart of this are questions about truth and trust. The risk here is of the media and public institutions losing the latter.
The response when the child abuse case was first reported showed this.
Within days, people were scouring public records and posting material on social media, to prove what appears already to have been known to those in the local community, those present in court, or both: that this was not in fact a case of female offending.
This surely cannot have felt like an ideal outcome to anyone.
Newspapers will rightly be wary of publishing anything that risks feeding an unfair negative narrative about trans people.
But public opinion polling shows that there is in fact a very high degree of sympathy for people who feel distress at being born one sex and take steps to reduce that by changing aspects of how they live.
Newspapers should trust their readers to be able to distinguish between one case and an entire group. Reporting should be neither misleading nor sensationalist.
An election issue?
“When does it matter to know someone’s sex?” may not be a question that Holyrood candidates are expecting to deal with on the doorstep over the next few weeks.
And with lives turned upside down over the past year, it might not look so important. But recent times have shown us how much public trust in the media and in official statistics matters to a working democracy.
Recent events show how the local press can suddenly find itself right at the sharp end of this global issue.
Lucy Hunter Blackburn is a former senior civil servant and postgraduate research student at the University of Edinburgh who works as part of policy analysis collective MurrayBlackburnMackenzie.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/2136685/lu...
LUCY HUNTER BLACKBURN: Does it matter if someone was born male or female? When it comes to crime reporting, yes
When does it matter to know whether someone was born male or female? This question has recently become the focus of a sensitive debate.
Early this year several papers reported that a woman had been found guilty of downloading horrifying videos of child sexual abuse.
It is extremely rare for women to be convicted of such offences. So a case like this stands out and is newsworthy. It nudges us towards thinking a little differently about women.
But should it? What happens if it emerges that a person convicted in these circumstances was born male?
The press reports in such cases will take their lead from advice issued to the courts and the media about how to handle cases involving transgender people.
They have been told that as far as possible, people should be described based on whether they identify as a woman or a man (their “gender identity”), and their sex treated as private information.
Many might assume that such advice only affects the very small number of people who have either undergone what is sometimes called sex change surgery, and/or have gone through the formal process of changing their sex in law.
But the advice here covers a much larger group, to which neither of these conditions apply.
Nor is this just about individual cases. It also affects the reliability of the figures that underpin policy-making and resource allocation.
Rise in abuse cases raises questions
It was recently reported in England that the number of women convicted of child sexual abuse had nearly doubled in the last five years.
But it turned out that no-one could say how much of this increase was because the authorities have begun to record cases as female that in the past would have been logged as male.
A recent FoI response from Police Scotland suggests the same problem will apply here.
It said that if a rape or attempted rape is perpetrated by a “male who self-identifies as a woman … the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.”
Recording gender identity instead of sex is mainly justified by privacy concerns. There are times when it really is no-one’s else’s business what sex another person is.
But there are also times when accurately reporting sex matters, because the experiences and behaviours of men and women are so different.
At the heart of this are questions about truth and trust. The risk here is of the media and public institutions losing the latter.
The response when the child abuse case was first reported showed this.
Within days, people were scouring public records and posting material on social media, to prove what appears already to have been known to those in the local community, those present in court, or both: that this was not in fact a case of female offending.
This surely cannot have felt like an ideal outcome to anyone.
Newspapers will rightly be wary of publishing anything that risks feeding an unfair negative narrative about trans people.
But public opinion polling shows that there is in fact a very high degree of sympathy for people who feel distress at being born one sex and take steps to reduce that by changing aspects of how they live.
Newspapers should trust their readers to be able to distinguish between one case and an entire group. Reporting should be neither misleading nor sensationalist.
An election issue?
“When does it matter to know someone’s sex?” may not be a question that Holyrood candidates are expecting to deal with on the doorstep over the next few weeks.
And with lives turned upside down over the past year, it might not look so important. But recent times have shown us how much public trust in the media and in official statistics matters to a working democracy.
Recent events show how the local press can suddenly find itself right at the sharp end of this global issue.
Lucy Hunter Blackburn is a former senior civil servant and postgraduate research student at the University of Edinburgh who works as part of policy analysis collective MurrayBlackburnMackenzie.
rover 623gsi said:
as a slight aside...
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/2136685/lu...
LUCY HUNTER BLACKBURN: Does it matter if someone was born male or female? When it comes to crime reporting, yes
When does it matter to know whether someone was born male or female? This question has recently become the focus of a sensitive debate.
Early this year several papers reported that a woman had been found guilty of downloading horrifying videos of child sexual abuse.
It is extremely rare for women to be convicted of such offences. So a case like this stands out and is newsworthy. It nudges us towards thinking a little differently about women.
But should it? What happens if it emerges that a person convicted in these circumstances was born male?
The press reports in such cases will take their lead from advice issued to the courts and the media about how to handle cases involving transgender people.
They have been told that as far as possible, people should be described based on whether they identify as a woman or a man (their “gender identity”), and their sex treated as private information.
Many might assume that such advice only affects the very small number of people who have either undergone what is sometimes called sex change surgery, and/or have gone through the formal process of changing their sex in law.
But the advice here covers a much larger group, to which neither of these conditions apply.
Nor is this just about individual cases. It also affects the reliability of the figures that underpin policy-making and resource allocation.
Rise in abuse cases raises questions
It was recently reported in England that the number of women convicted of child sexual abuse had nearly doubled in the last five years.
But it turned out that no-one could say how much of this increase was because the authorities have begun to record cases as female that in the past would have been logged as male.
A recent FoI response from Police Scotland suggests the same problem will apply here.
It said that if a rape or attempted rape is perpetrated by a “male who self-identifies as a woman … the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.”
Recording gender identity instead of sex is mainly justified by privacy concerns. There are times when it really is no-one’s else’s business what sex another person is.
But there are also times when accurately reporting sex matters, because the experiences and behaviours of men and women are so different.
At the heart of this are questions about truth and trust. The risk here is of the media and public institutions losing the latter.
The response when the child abuse case was first reported showed this.
Within days, people were scouring public records and posting material on social media, to prove what appears already to have been known to those in the local community, those present in court, or both: that this was not in fact a case of female offending.
This surely cannot have felt like an ideal outcome to anyone.
Newspapers will rightly be wary of publishing anything that risks feeding an unfair negative narrative about trans people.
But public opinion polling shows that there is in fact a very high degree of sympathy for people who feel distress at being born one sex and take steps to reduce that by changing aspects of how they live.
Newspapers should trust their readers to be able to distinguish between one case and an entire group. Reporting should be neither misleading nor sensationalist.
An election issue?
“When does it matter to know someone’s sex?” may not be a question that Holyrood candidates are expecting to deal with on the doorstep over the next few weeks.
And with lives turned upside down over the past year, it might not look so important. But recent times have shown us how much public trust in the media and in official statistics matters to a working democracy.
Recent events show how the local press can suddenly find itself right at the sharp end of this global issue.
Lucy Hunter Blackburn is a former senior civil servant and postgraduate research student at the University of Edinburgh who works as part of policy analysis collective MurrayBlackburnMackenzie.
Thanks :-)https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/2136685/lu...
LUCY HUNTER BLACKBURN: Does it matter if someone was born male or female? When it comes to crime reporting, yes
When does it matter to know whether someone was born male or female? This question has recently become the focus of a sensitive debate.
Early this year several papers reported that a woman had been found guilty of downloading horrifying videos of child sexual abuse.
It is extremely rare for women to be convicted of such offences. So a case like this stands out and is newsworthy. It nudges us towards thinking a little differently about women.
But should it? What happens if it emerges that a person convicted in these circumstances was born male?
The press reports in such cases will take their lead from advice issued to the courts and the media about how to handle cases involving transgender people.
They have been told that as far as possible, people should be described based on whether they identify as a woman or a man (their “gender identity”), and their sex treated as private information.
Many might assume that such advice only affects the very small number of people who have either undergone what is sometimes called sex change surgery, and/or have gone through the formal process of changing their sex in law.
But the advice here covers a much larger group, to which neither of these conditions apply.
Nor is this just about individual cases. It also affects the reliability of the figures that underpin policy-making and resource allocation.
Rise in abuse cases raises questions
It was recently reported in England that the number of women convicted of child sexual abuse had nearly doubled in the last five years.
But it turned out that no-one could say how much of this increase was because the authorities have begun to record cases as female that in the past would have been logged as male.
A recent FoI response from Police Scotland suggests the same problem will apply here.
It said that if a rape or attempted rape is perpetrated by a “male who self-identifies as a woman … the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.”
Recording gender identity instead of sex is mainly justified by privacy concerns. There are times when it really is no-one’s else’s business what sex another person is.
But there are also times when accurately reporting sex matters, because the experiences and behaviours of men and women are so different.
At the heart of this are questions about truth and trust. The risk here is of the media and public institutions losing the latter.
The response when the child abuse case was first reported showed this.
Within days, people were scouring public records and posting material on social media, to prove what appears already to have been known to those in the local community, those present in court, or both: that this was not in fact a case of female offending.
This surely cannot have felt like an ideal outcome to anyone.
Newspapers will rightly be wary of publishing anything that risks feeding an unfair negative narrative about trans people.
But public opinion polling shows that there is in fact a very high degree of sympathy for people who feel distress at being born one sex and take steps to reduce that by changing aspects of how they live.
Newspapers should trust their readers to be able to distinguish between one case and an entire group. Reporting should be neither misleading nor sensationalist.
An election issue?
“When does it matter to know someone’s sex?” may not be a question that Holyrood candidates are expecting to deal with on the doorstep over the next few weeks.
And with lives turned upside down over the past year, it might not look so important. But recent times have shown us how much public trust in the media and in official statistics matters to a working democracy.
Recent events show how the local press can suddenly find itself right at the sharp end of this global issue.
Lucy Hunter Blackburn is a former senior civil servant and postgraduate research student at the University of Edinburgh who works as part of policy analysis collective MurrayBlackburnMackenzie.
This was the point of the thread but i don’t think anyone clicked on the links to the “female “ sex abusers?..
Gecko1978 said:
are some men incapable of understanding the word no etc
Bizarre comment, children cannot consent.Iwantafusca said:
This was the point of the thread but i don’t think anyone clicked on the links to the “female “ sex abusers?..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/pshe_and_citizenship/pdf/rape.pdf said:
What is rape?
According to the law, only a man can commit rape (as the penetration has to be with a penis).
I'm confused, can transgender women be convicted of rape?According to the law, only a man can commit rape (as the penetration has to be with a penis).
Edited by Pastie Bloater on Saturday 17th April 00:33
ChocolateFrog said:
Misanthrope said:
Iwantafusca said:
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
Yes, but didn't you know that whenever a woman commits a crime it's only because some evil man coerced/groomed her into doing it? So it's still men's fault...Hard to imagine that if they knew a bloke had done it then it wouldn't be a manhunt for a murderer/manslaughter.
greygoose said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Misanthrope said:
Iwantafusca said:
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
Yes, but didn't you know that whenever a woman commits a crime it's only because some evil man coerced/groomed her into doing it? So it's still men's fault...Hard to imagine that if they knew a bloke had done it then it wouldn't be a manhunt for a murderer/manslaughter.
rover 623gsi said:
From the bbc article linked above
In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
So when men do it one is too manyIn 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows
...
Sexual abuse is abhorrent, whoever is responsible, but there is nothing to suggest that women commit offences of this type at a similar scale as men
But when women do it it's only a few
voyds9 said:
So when men do it one is too many
But when women do it it's only a few
But when women do it it's only a few
Or “they’re really men”
The reason nobody really delves into this information is it exposes the potential for some deeply unpleasant possibilities.
Most likely, people are using gender identity to hide, or limit punishment.
Least likely, gender dysphoria is actually a mental health issue probably coupled with a few more mental health issues that we’re neglecting for fear of upsetting those who have convinced themselves it’s a biological mistake.
The latter will be the one the hysterical attach to, the former will be the one everyone points at and blames, and as is usually the case in anything the truth may lie somewhere in the middle, in that there are examples of both.
At the risk of a long walk down a very off topic road, I think society of the past is very much to blame for gender dysphoria - all the crap women and girls get for being “Tom boys”, for being into cars but not looking like a slag out the back of Max Power, for having a “lezzer haircut” and liking women... and same for men, god forbid as a bloke you like cooking, playing with dolls, playing the wrong musical instruments or sports, dancing etc... on top of all of that, having been effectively bullied into the decision that they were born the wrong sex, we then make it absolutely impossible for them to make that change and bully them for doing that! If they did come out the other side of it a bit “wrong”, could you blame them after all of that? Could you even begin to establish whether they were “wrong” going into it having subjected them to that?
I expect far more however are using the perceived “trans can do no wrong” as cover though.
Pastie Bloater said:
So a transgender woman can be convicted of a (by law) man-only crime, but be sent to a women's prison 
Welcome to the future lol. When transwomen commit crime ( usually sex crimes) its reported as a woman committed the crime. But when transwomen are the victim of a crime , it’s reported as a hate crime against a transwomen!
Iwantafusca said:
Some more female abusers
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yor...
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
This one is particularly odd. The "woman" was a man who changed but whilst a man commited a nonce thing her/him selfhttps://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yor...
Hope this ends the myth that only men commit sex crimes , women can be abusers too.
Totally bizarre
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