Anyone ever smacked their kid in public?
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I ask because of this:
www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/1547721
I know that on the odd occasion as a kid, I got a smack on the arse or legs in public places for being a little shit. Never any qualms about it looking back. Never anything worse than a stinging backside to remind me not to do it again.
Some woudl agree with me that it's the lack of such disciplinary measure which leads to the unruliness of kids today.
So if a parent/guardian does this, as above, should they run the risk of being locked up by an over-reactive (female/motherly) judge?
www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/1547721
quote:Okay, now I knwo this bloke has a bad rep and there's evidence that he's at the simian end of the evolutionary scale, but here's the thing:
Mel B's ex found guilty
Jimmy Gulzar, the ex-husband of Spice Girl Mel B, has been convicted of assaulting a three-year-old autistic boy.
The Dutch-born dancer, 35, from Willesden, lost his temper and hit the child on his bottom in the play area near London Zoo's lions enclosure in September last year.
Gulzar will be sentenced later today, the judge saying he was minded to order unpaid community service work. Gulzar had pleaded not guilty to common assault.
Gulzar had claimed he hit the boy to protect another child.
But District Judge Anthony Evans, sitting at Horseferry Road magistrates' court, said: "I am satisfied that this is not a case of self-defence and that it was a question of assault. I can understand that Mr Gulzar may well have been annoyed."
Gulzar hugged his sobbing girlfriend Emily Friendship, 23, after the judge said he considered the assault at the " bottom end of seriousness" and wasn't thinking of sending Gulzar to prison.
The boy's 35-year-old mother, a children's nursery manager from Stoke Newington, had claimed Gulzar had "roared in anger" as he lashed out at her son and gave him "a hell of a smack" across his left buttock. But the judge said that medical evidence indicated that the force used was very low.
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I know that on the odd occasion as a kid, I got a smack on the arse or legs in public places for being a little shit. Never any qualms about it looking back. Never anything worse than a stinging backside to remind me not to do it again.
Some woudl agree with me that it's the lack of such disciplinary measure which leads to the unruliness of kids today.
So if a parent/guardian does this, as above, should they run the risk of being locked up by an over-reactive (female/motherly) judge?
as I understand it, he was the guardian of the child at that moment (or am I misinterpreting?).
And what does it matter of the kid's autistic? ISTR that It's a condition that can be anything from very mild to very serious.. to such a degree that loads of kids suffered it in the past without it being spotted/identified/diagnosed.. (I'm not being snotty - I actually want to know)..
And what does it matter of the kid's autistic? ISTR that It's a condition that can be anything from very mild to very serious.. to such a degree that loads of kids suffered it in the past without it being spotted/identified/diagnosed.. (I'm not being snotty - I actually want to know)..
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I ask because of this:
www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/1547721quote:
Mel B's ex found guilty
Gulzar had claimed he hit the boy to protect another child.
Err hit the boy to protect another child? Is that like invading Iraq to protect the Isle of Man?
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after the judge said he considered the assault at the " bottom end of seriousness"
This is a joke right...
On your other point and bearing in mind I'm a recent Dad... I'm against smacking on the whole as I think it is a piss poor way of teaching your child how to behave. Saying that however I had the odd smack across the back of my legs when I was a kid and it did me no harm. Would I ever smack Alfie? I don't think so, ask me in a couple of years. What it does not say is if the kid is his, it is utterly unacceptable to hit someone elses children, if someone hit Alfie for whatever reason I would tear them limb from limb (setting a great example to my son).
Emotive stuff smacking.
D.
Wasn't this a case of a third party assult rather than a parent/guardian.
When my children were of an age when they needed my protection (opposite true now) I would not have been very happy had some yob/overgrown bully boy decided to wack them and may well have reacted in some way.
The child who was assulted was apparently suffering from Autism which,to my eyes, makes this an even more cowardly and reprehensible abuse.
The old common sense adage used to be 'pick on somebody your own size'.
When my children were of an age when they needed my protection (opposite true now) I would not have been very happy had some yob/overgrown bully boy decided to wack them and may well have reacted in some way.
The child who was assulted was apparently suffering from Autism which,to my eyes, makes this an even more cowardly and reprehensible abuse.
The old common sense adage used to be 'pick on somebody your own size'.
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okay then - point of principle. Assume you smacked your own 3 year old at the Zoo for being a little git & some old sod reported you to a passing policeman..
what then?
I'd tell them to **** off and mind their own....Bear in mind I'd be in a bad mood as...
I hate going to the Zoo, and if he was playing to the point where a slap across the legs was in order....
I expect I'd go on the rampage with a gun, eating all the animals at the Zoo and killing the old git.
Again not setting a very good example to my son
D.
levels of punishment at my primary school depending on seriousness.
Hair pulling
slipper
cane
I think kids grow up without a fear of punishment. So if they are not going to be punished what is there to convinve them that what they are doing is bad.
Ok you can teach a kid what is right or wrong but if they dont get punished for going bad then whats to stop them doing it again.
Hair pulling
slipper
cane
I think kids grow up without a fear of punishment. So if they are not going to be punished what is there to convinve them that what they are doing is bad.
Ok you can teach a kid what is right or wrong but if they dont get punished for going bad then whats to stop them doing it again.
Having enjoyed an upbringing that regularly involved being thrashed by both school and parent with varying sizes of stick I can honestly say that the notion that the experience emotionally damages you for life is utter bollocks. I understood why I was being punished, what for and was well aware that if I took the decision to commit the same act at a future date I could reasonably expect more of the same, it then became my choice.
What I find interesting is this, I cannot remember the last time that I had a fight that didn't involve a rugby pitch or my brother I just have no interest in it and yet I regularly read with interest macho codswallop on all sorts of sources along the lines of "if you smack your kid you're a pervert and I'll knock seven shades of shit out of you". You go figure?
Punishment where little Johnny knows what he's done wrong and requires chastisement is fine, in my opinion, walloping your kid 'cos you've had a bad day at work, he/she is looking at you wrong and anyway let's face it you're a bit of a tosser isn't.
What I find interesting is this, I cannot remember the last time that I had a fight that didn't involve a rugby pitch or my brother I just have no interest in it and yet I regularly read with interest macho codswallop on all sorts of sources along the lines of "if you smack your kid you're a pervert and I'll knock seven shades of shit out of you". You go figure?
Punishment where little Johnny knows what he's done wrong and requires chastisement is fine, in my opinion, walloping your kid 'cos you've had a bad day at work, he/she is looking at you wrong and anyway let's face it you're a bit of a tosser isn't.
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The child who was assulted was apparently suffering from Autism which,to my eyes, makes this an even more cowardly and reprehensible abuse.
I do know a couple of Autistic children, and I can't see how this affects the 'assualt' in any way. As CarZee rightly says earlier, we don't know how badly this child is affected by his condition. It seems to me a case of the media using this to pile extra pressure on a never-has been celeb.
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The old common sense adage used to be 'pick on somebody your own size'.
The problem here is he is quite a big chap and I presume quite fit, being as he's a (ex)dancer.
However if it was my child, the b*****d might just want to duck to avoid a starting handle round the ear.
Political Correctness gone fcuking mad.
You are not allowed to look at a kid in a funny way or you will be hanged by the knackers in public.
When I was a kid if I did something wrong I got a clout, whether it was from a teacher/parent whatever, and it hurt and I'd make damn sure I didn't do it again. It's all about respect and I'm afraid the kids now have no respect because they know you can do nothing about it - little fcukers.
Case in point: My wife works in a school, some kids went into the cookery room, opened the fridge, opened the freezer section and nicked some ice-pops - 3 doors in total (and that is important!). She went to the Head requesting these kids be disciplined but was told temptation should not be put in their way (I refer you back to the 3 doors and a room they shouldn't have been near).
So what message is that putting out!?
Suffice to say at the weekend I may be passing a TVR dealer I might break in, break in to the safe and nick a car - temptation and all.
My daughter can count on one hand how many times she has been smacked in 15 years, as I believe there are beter ways to teach them, but sometimes a smack is the only thing they will understand or learn from.
She's a bit old now, but if a small kid of mine mis-behaved in public I reserve the right to smack it, and if some Nissan driving tree hugger wants to complain I'll fcuking smack them too.
I'm going for a beer and kick the cat - bye.
You are not allowed to look at a kid in a funny way or you will be hanged by the knackers in public.
When I was a kid if I did something wrong I got a clout, whether it was from a teacher/parent whatever, and it hurt and I'd make damn sure I didn't do it again. It's all about respect and I'm afraid the kids now have no respect because they know you can do nothing about it - little fcukers.
Case in point: My wife works in a school, some kids went into the cookery room, opened the fridge, opened the freezer section and nicked some ice-pops - 3 doors in total (and that is important!). She went to the Head requesting these kids be disciplined but was told temptation should not be put in their way (I refer you back to the 3 doors and a room they shouldn't have been near).
So what message is that putting out!?
Suffice to say at the weekend I may be passing a TVR dealer I might break in, break in to the safe and nick a car - temptation and all.
My daughter can count on one hand how many times she has been smacked in 15 years, as I believe there are beter ways to teach them, but sometimes a smack is the only thing they will understand or learn from.
She's a bit old now, but if a small kid of mine mis-behaved in public I reserve the right to smack it, and if some Nissan driving tree hugger wants to complain I'll fcuking smack them too.
I'm going for a beer and kick the cat - bye.
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My daughter can count on one hand how many times she has been smacked in 15 years, as I believe there are beter ways to teach them, but sometimes a smack is the only thing they will understand or learn from.
this might be the case where the threat of a smack if she did something wrong might be enough to deter her from doing it in the first place.
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