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I only noticed a variety of stories on this yesterday, yet it’s seemingly going to be available from July. Matt Watson from CarWow even got to review one in the U.K., although he was driven around, rather than drive himself.
Starting price, tech levels and range all seem very attractive, to me at least.
Is it a game changing luxury saloon which will put pressure on the model S, or just an attempt to make a name for themselves across their model range by Mercedes, but which isn’t, overall, that significant?
I, personally, love it, I must say.
Starting price, tech levels and range all seem very attractive, to me at least.
Is it a game changing luxury saloon which will put pressure on the model S, or just an attempt to make a name for themselves across their model range by Mercedes, but which isn’t, overall, that significant?
I, personally, love it, I must say.
gangzoom said:
Looks good, but I cannot see any actual prices?
As SWoll mentioned - I also heard £90k starting price, moving up into (well into, I expect) £100k+ for the four wheel drive version.Yet it is that range, coupled with the overall quality that makes me like it. Although, as Swoll also pointed out, it is a monster of a car and a heavy brute.
Surely the time will come when lighter chassis will become more commonplace - given sticking batteries in makes all such cars, as near as makes no difference, 2 tonne heavy weights.
dukeboy749r said:
gangzoom said:
Looks good, but I cannot see any actual prices?
As SWoll mentioned - I also heard £90k starting price, moving up into (well into, I expect) £100k+ for the four wheel drive version.Yet it is that range, coupled with the overall quality that makes me like it. Although, as Swoll also pointed out, it is a monster of a car and a heavy brute.
Surely the time will come when lighter chassis will become more commonplace - given sticking batteries in makes all such cars, as near as makes no difference, 2 tonne heavy weights.
dukeboy749r said:
As SWoll mentioned - I also heard £90k starting price, moving up into (well into, I expect) £100k+ for the four wheel drive version.
Yet it is that range, coupled with the overall quality that makes me like it. Although, as Swoll also pointed out, it is a monster of a car and a heavy brute.
Surely the time will come when lighter chassis will become more commonplace - given sticking batteries in makes all such cars, as near as makes no difference, 2 tonne heavy weights.
We're only getting the EQS450 RWD version here, not the 580 AWD version, bafflingly.Yet it is that range, coupled with the overall quality that makes me like it. Although, as Swoll also pointed out, it is a monster of a car and a heavy brute.
Surely the time will come when lighter chassis will become more commonplace - given sticking batteries in makes all such cars, as near as makes no difference, 2 tonne heavy weights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKmEQuRAg9M
Fully Charged/Robert got to drive the EQS and he was very impressed with it. 0.2 Cd I believe!
But, you know, this is basically Mercedes electric S-Class. Of course its going to be a technology and engineering tour de force.
Fully Charged/Robert got to drive the EQS and he was very impressed with it. 0.2 Cd I believe!
But, you know, this is basically Mercedes electric S-Class. Of course its going to be a technology and engineering tour de force.
SWoll said:
£90k starting price for the RWD version from what I've read.
Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
Most likely they will be used in cities like London for chauffeur work.Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
Plenty of S350d LWB cars around and they are over 5.2m in length, so don't see the length of 5.3m as a big deal if someone is replacing a diesel S class with an EQS.
raspy said:
SWoll said:
£90k starting price for the RWD version from what I've read.
Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
Most likely they will be used in cities like London for chauffeur work.Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
Plenty of S350d LWB cars around and they are over 5.2m in length, so don't see the length of 5.3m as a big deal if someone is replacing a diesel S class with an EQS.
Beefmeister said:
dukeboy749r said:
As SWoll mentioned - I also heard £90k starting price, moving up into (well into, I expect) £100k+ for the four wheel drive version.
Yet it is that range, coupled with the overall quality that makes me like it. Although, as Swoll also pointed out, it is a monster of a car and a heavy brute.
Surely the time will come when lighter chassis will become more commonplace - given sticking batteries in makes all such cars, as near as makes no difference, 2 tonne heavy weights.
We're only getting the EQS450 RWD version here, not the 580 AWD version, bafflingly.Yet it is that range, coupled with the overall quality that makes me like it. Although, as Swoll also pointed out, it is a monster of a car and a heavy brute.
Surely the time will come when lighter chassis will become more commonplace - given sticking batteries in makes all such cars, as near as makes no difference, 2 tonne heavy weights.
SWoll said:
£90k starting price for the RWD version from what I've read.
Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
To be fair, the current S-class is just under 5.3m long and starts at 2100kg in weight. So yeah, its up on the weight, but I suspect they worked out exactly how to make it feel very familiar to current buyer / owners.Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
off_again said:
SWoll said:
£90k starting price for the RWD version from what I've read.
Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
To be fair, the current S-class is just under 5.3m long and starts at 2100kg in weight. So yeah, its up on the weight, but I suspect they worked out exactly how to make it feel very familiar to current buyer / owners.Should make a fantastic comfy long distance option if the range figures are accurate. At 2600kg and 5.3m long its an absolute monster though.
Anyway, given that budget I'd still be handing over the cash at a Porsche dealer for a Taycan 4S personally so not going to be something I need to worry about.
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 21st April 19:53
SWoll said:
W223 is 5.1m and < 2000KG according to a quick google. EQS is longer than the LWB S-Class and 500+KG heavier, that's very chunky for a RWD non SUV.
Anyway, given that budget I'd still be handing over the cash at a Porsche dealer for a Taycan 4S personally so not going to be something I need to worry about.
Mmmm, if anything, this highlights the fact there are such inconsistent results when using something like Google! I did a quick search and got those figures for the S450 4Matic.... very odd.... Anyway, given that budget I'd still be handing over the cash at a Porsche dealer for a Taycan 4S personally so not going to be something I need to worry about.
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 21st April 19:53
Wikipedia (not necessarily the bastion of accuracy either) says the W223 is 5179cm, 5289cm or 5500cm in length but getting accurate model specific weights is all over the place! Either way, both are lardy-arse limos.... ;-)
I agree, given the budget required, I can think of so many other places to drop $100k! And I really dont need a giant 4 door saloon. Seen the Taycan in the flesh and it does look better and in a decent color combo its rather attractive. Not so sure on the infotainment touch panel thing, the fingerprints on the panel in the dealer could be seen from the moon!
dukeboy749r said:
Given the price spread of Tesla’s Model S - I imagine that for their plaid version, other than the difference in range, surely this a better prospect with better likely residuals?
I mean as lairy as 2 seconds 0-60 is, surely what we really want is a better overall car?
I have to agree. If you are dropping 100k on a car, it has to be pretty darn good at everything you want it to be. If its a large saloon, it better do the comfort thing really well, with a decent turn of speed when required. 0-60 in 2 seconds is going to be fun for the first few times, but beyond that, how many times will you actually want to use it? Hint: its uncomfortable at best, painful at worst....I mean as lairy as 2 seconds 0-60 is, surely what we really want is a better overall car?
Been in a couple of Model S's over the years and while its a nice and clean place to be, its not what I would call luxury. As long as the Mercedes doesnt creak like a monster (plenty of them do) and stick with the high quality materials and switches etc, its going to be a very nice place to be. And Mercedes seats beat a Tesla any day of the week.
The problem I see is if Mercedes does its usual trick of making everything an optional extra. If this is the case and that 100k price is for a poverty spec model, Tesla will likely have the edge. The Model S comes with more usable features as standard and will probably work well for a lot of buyers. But if Mercedes can put a decent interior, spec level and set of luxury features in for 100k, then it has a shot.
Porsche has done a great job with the Taycan - yes its fast, but everyone says that it drives really well. Thats what it needed to do and clearly the engineers have delivered that. It had to drive like a Porsche. Great, now Mercedes give us an EV that rides, handles and is comfortable as a Mercedes - then you will have a hit.
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