Undercover police - sexual relations

[anonymous-user]

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/20/po...

This is gathering a bit of pace now. Will be interesting to see what the final verdict will be.

[anonymoususer]

flashbang said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/20/po...

This is gathering a bit of pace now. Will be interesting to see what the final verdict will be.

This is a bit like the plot of Who Dares Wins a great old movie with Lewis Collins. He was well into banging the Frankie bird and at the end he hesitated instead of shooting her

[OldGermanHeaps]

Surely coercing someone into sex through deception is rape?

[Douglas Quaid]

He was deep undercover.

[Biggy Stardust]

OldGermanHeaps said:

Surely coercing someone into sex through deception is rape?

They weren't coerced. They willingly had sex without being forced to do so.

If telling fibs to get laid was illegal then prisons would be overflowing. (I believe the technical term for this is foreploy)

[Earthdweller]

Douglas Quaid said:

He was deep undercover.

Very deep ... repeatedly !

[Killer2005]

Earthdweller said:

Douglas Quaid said:

He was deep undercover.

Very deep ... repeatedly !

Balls deep?

[Bigends]

He was married with kids - what on earth induced him to engage in his sexual relationship?

[Douglas Quaid]

Bigends said:

He was married with kids - what on earth induced him to engage in his sexual relationship?

Well, he was working so has the greatest excuse going. It was his job to get his end away.

[ReverendCounter]

Bigends said:

He was married with kids - what on earth induced him to engage in his sexual relationship?

Some of them think they can literally get away with anything. They've based entire careers on lies, lying to victims of crime every shift and they just can't stop.

[aston80]

Biggy Stardust said:

They weren't coerced. They willingly had sex without being forced to do so.

If telling fibs to get laid was illegal then prisons would be overflowing. (I believe the technical term for this is foreploy)

But wasn't there a case a couple of years ago, where a woman thought she was blindfolded and "meeting" a guy, but it turned out to be a woman using a prop and she was convicted for rape?

[Pegscratch]

aston80 said:

But wasn't there a case a couple of years ago, where a woman thought she was blindfolded and "meeting" a guy, but it turned out to be a woman using a prop and she was convicted for rape?

No, because a prop isn’t a penis. Legal impossibility to be convicted of rape for stuffing inanimate objects or appendages other than a penis into a woman’s vagina.

[AJL308]

Pegscratch said:

aston80 said:

But wasn't there a case a couple of years ago, where a woman thought she was blindfolded and "meeting" a guy, but it turned out to be a woman using a prop and she was convicted for rape?

No, because a prop isn’t a penis. Legal impossibility to be convicted of rape for stuffing inanimate objects or appendages other than a penis into a woman’s vagina.

I'm sure there has been something more recent which involved some level of deception; whether to do with lying about having the snip, or not having infections or something, which led to a rape conviction. The woman would not have consented had she known the true facts so, as a point of law, she did not consent to the sex. There seems to be little difference here. He pretended to be someone else and lied about being a police officer and having a family. Did she truly consent? Would she have consented had she known he was a cop - the evidence would suggest not.

[gregs656]

It was the Gayle Newland trial I think you’re referring to. She was found guilty of sexual assault by penetration.

[deckster]

AJL308 said:

I'm sure there has been something more recent which involved some level of deception; whether to do with lying about having the snip, or not having infections or something, which led to a rape conviction. The woman would not have consented had she known the true facts so, as a point of law, she did not consent to the sex. There seems to be little difference here. He pretended to be someone else and lied about being a police officer and having a family. Did she truly consent? Would she have consented had she known he was a cop - the evidence would suggest not.

But as said above, where do you stop? Any falsehood?

"No I'm not seeing anyone else"
"I'm a millionaire"
"Of course I love you"
"Yes I'm on the pill" (it goes both ways, obviously)

You could argue that all of those could make the difference between somebody consenting to sleep with somebody else or not. Would they all be victims of rape?

Hard cases make for hard law; clearly, this is on the extreme end of untruths but I'm not at all sure I like the direction this is going in.

[zetec]

Didn't the shop Lush protest about this in their shop window displays a few years ago? Undercover Police forming 'relationships' with animal rights activists to try and get information on their next steps?

[anonymous-user]

zetec said:

Didn't the shop Lush protest about this in their shop window displays a few years ago? Undercover Police forming 'relationships' with animal rights activists to try and get information on their next steps?

This?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lu...