Russia and Ukraine
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It is no coincidenance Russia and China are both trying to test the waters about invading other countries. They cannot be trusted. USA is weak they couldn’t even sort out Afghanistan or the VC in Nam. There are just some countries out there with bad intentions so want to try to invade other countries.
Gameface said:
161BMW said:
USA is weak they couldn’t even sort out Afghanistan or the VC in Nam.
They certainly made themselves look weak with the Capitol Building riot.Can you imagine if that was tried at The Kremlin?
Gameface said:
They certainly made themselves look weak with the Capitol Building riot.
Can you imagine if that was tried at The Kremlin etc?
Something like this: 1993 Shelling of Russian Parliament buildingCan you imagine if that was tried at The Kremlin etc?
161BMW said:
It is no coincidenance Russia and China are both trying to test the waters about invading other countries. They cannot be trusted. USA is weak they couldn’t even sort out Afghanistan or the VC in Nam. There are just some countries out there with bad intentions so want to try to invade other countries.
In all fairness the US never really tried to sort out the VC (and China and USSR) they set themselves up to loose from the inception of MACV. For instance they mined Haiphong harbour in 1972 not before. Deploying fighters designed to engage at long range then preventing them from engaging BVR so forcing them to engage in manner that exploited their weaknesses and played to the oppositions strength.It’s also worth noting that the Chinese tried to “sort out” the Vietnamese after the Americans and failed. When they tried to prevent interference with that lovely socialist Pol Pot.
161BMW said:
It is no coincidenance Russia and China are both trying to test the waters about invading other countries. They cannot be trusted. USA is weak they couldn’t even sort out Afghanistan or the VC in Nam. There are just some countries out there with bad intentions so want to try to invade other countries.
Pre-Iraq when we still had some appetite for militarily sorting out other countries this might have been madness. But we watched as the Arab Spring was crushed and did nothing, watched as the Kurds were crushed (again) and did nothing, accuse China of crimes against humanity whilst begging for market access and do nothing when they crush democracy in Hong Kong.
I fear the Ukrainians are going to find our support as strong as the Poles did in the forties.
garagewidow said:
Has Putin got an election on the horizon?
The east and the west know it can only be seen as sabre rattling,any inference of war would be disastrous,but who blinks first?
The east and the west know it can only be seen as sabre rattling,any inference of war would be disastrous,but who blinks first?
September it looks like, last time Putins ratings were boosted when he sent troops in to help those in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia.I had read that since 2014 the Russian language is far less popular in some parts of western Ukraine and Kyiv, and Ukrainian is the dominant language with Kyiv now the official spelling rather than Kiev. The anti Russia feeling has also grown since 2014 and you wonder if Putin might be nervous of another attempt for Ukraine to join NATO & EU which is what caused things to kick off back in 2014
RichFN2 said:
September it looks like, last time Putins ratings were boosted when he sent troops in to help those in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia.I had read that since 2014 the Russian language is far less popular in some parts of western Ukraine and Kyiv, and Ukrainian is the dominant language with Kyiv now the official spelling rather than Kiev. The anti Russia feeling has also grown since 2014 and you wonder if Putin might be nervous of another attempt for Ukraine to join NATO & EU which is what caused things to kick off back in 2014
CarlosFandango11 said:
You’re forgetting about Russia invading Poland at the start.
The Soviet invasion of Poland was a military operation by the Soviet Union without a formal declaration of war. On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east, sixteen days after Germany invaded Poland from the west.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_P...
CarlosFandango11 said:
Earthdweller said:
Dagnir said:
Literally the rhetoric that started WWII, so let's hope the Russian people aren’t so gullible this time.
Was it ?WW2 was going Almost 2.5 years before Russia became involved
The non aggression pact with Germany meant they stayed on the sidelines until Barbarossa in June 41
Earthdweller said:
Id still argue the annexation of eastern Poland in ‘39 wasn’t Russia joining WW2 as a combatant
You can argue it if you want to be a moron. If Poland is not good enough for you how about Winter war against Finland in 1939-40. They started it after secret agreement with Hitler how to split Europe.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff