Daily Mail owner sues Google over search results

[g3org3y]

BBC said:

The owner of the Daily Mail newspaper and MailOnline website is suing Google over allegations the search engine manipulates search results.

Associated Newspapers accuses Google of having too much control over online advertising and of downgrading links to its stories, favouring other outlets.

It alleges Google "punishes" publishers in its rankings if they don't sell enough advertising space in its marketplace.

Google called the claims "meritless".

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56828173

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

[randlemarcus]

M'Lud, I submit that my client downgrades the search results from the Daily Mail because its ste journalism. The defence rests.

[Ian Geary]

This sounds like an extension of the battle between Google and Murdoch's news empire in Australia.

Someone commented at the time: Murdoch doesn't want Google influencing people's opinions, he wants to keep that as his own monopoly.

[andy43]

That’s how google works.
Search for ‘solicitor’ and the ones who’ve bunged somebody some money to appear on page one of the search results comes up first. Theoretically the best solicitors won’t need to spend anything on search ranking because they’re getting all their work from word of mouth and happy customers.
Surely the Mails quality journalism will shine through? A well regarded newspaper producing things people want to read would not have to worry about google ranking...

[Pegscratch]

andy43 said:

IA well regarded newspaper producing things people want to read would not have to worry about google ranking...

Thus explaining what it seems Daily Mail’s lawyers don’t seem capable of explaining.

[Dagnir]

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

[anonymous-user]

Why can’t google do that? I’d assumed they did that already.

It’s a private business and it’s entirely up to them isn’t it how they organise search results. Other search engines are available etc.

[hyphen]

Shame that it's Mail on its own, there should be an alliance of news providers against Google.

[hyphen]

andy43 said:

A well regarded newspaper producing things people want to read would not have to worry about google ranking...

Mail online is one of the largest in the world. They couldn't get to that level without "producing things people want to read".

[anonymous-user]

Dagnir said:

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

Why’s it insidious? It’s a search engine run by a business not a public service isn’t it? There’s all kinds of different algorithms going on to influence the results we get on different search engines.

Is this like people complaining about (another business) YouTube or Twitter etc banning stuff? Again why on earth do people expect to use a free service on someone’s business and it not be run the way that business wants?

Seems a bit entitled to me that people now expect google and YouTube and Twitter etc to be doing things the way they want when quite frankly it’s entirely up to google and YouTube etc how they run their services and entirely up to us if we want to make use of them or not.

[anonymous-user]

hyphen said:

andy43 said:

A well regarded newspaper producing things people want to read would not have to worry about google ranking...

Mail online is one of the largest in the world. They couldn't get to that level without "producing things people want to read".

Should google be demanding the Mail focus on the stories and news they want?

What makes the Mail think they can decide what news to report or what slant to put on it?

[blackrabbit]

Dagnir said:

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

Agreed, most portals like Yahoo for example are 95% made up of stories from left wing links like Huff Post and the Guardian. CA bigtech is basically filtering news to fits its WOKE agenda. Look at the way they promote non stop Biden positive stories yet did the opposite with Trump.

[Dagnir]

El stovey said:

Why’s it insidious? It’s a search engine run by a business not a public service isn’t it? There’s all kinds of different algorithms going on to influence the results we get on different search engines.

Is this like people complaining about (another business) YouTube or Twitter etc banning stuff? Again why on earth do people expect to use a free service on someone’s business and it not be run the way that business wants?

Seems a bit entitled to me that people now expect google and YouTube and Twitter etc to be doing things the way they want when quite frankly it’s entirely up to google and YouTube etc how they run their services and entirely up to us if we want to make use of them or not.

Because they're not just another search engine anymore. They ARE the Internet. They have almost complete control.

I would agreed with you about the private company stuff, if this was 15 - 20 years ago but we have to look at the current situation and conclude logically, that given the massive global reach and power the Internet has allowed companies to accrue, existing legislation is no longer appropriate.

Big tech are insidious because they repeatedly tell everyone they're playing it straight, when they do anything but that and they manipulate absolutely everything. They literally control the flow of data (in many forms) throughout the world.

They have too much power, they don’t use it in a neutral way and are not subject to the moral and ethical restrictions that governments are.

[98elise]

blackrabbit said:

Dagnir said:

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

Agreed, most portals like Yahoo for example are 95% made up of stories from left wing links like Huff Post and the Guardian. CA bigtech is basically filtering news to fits its WOKE agenda. Look at the way they promote non stop Biden positive stories yet did the opposite with Trump.

Trump should have dialed back the lunacy if he wanted positive stories.

[blackrabbit]

El stovey said:

Dagnir said:

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

Why’s it insidious? It’s a search engine run by a business not a public service isn’t it? There’s all kinds of different algorithms going on to influence the results we get on different search engines.

Is this like people complaining about (another business) YouTube or Twitter etc banning stuff? Again why on earth do people expect to use a free service on someone’s business and it not be run the way that business wants?

Seems a bit entitled to me that people now expect google and YouTube and Twitter etc to be doing things the way they want when quite frankly it’s entirely up to google and YouTube etc how they run their services and entirely up to us if we want to make use of them or not.

Well what about libraries, hospitals and schools for example that only allow access via a google or yahoo or bing portal? Its like when you leave your driveway your only option is a private toll road with advertising billboards and you can't take any other route.

[hyphen]

El stovey said:

Whats that got to do with anything? Duckduckgo is making good strides, and Bing has some market share, but Google remains Search. To the point people often say "google it" and rarely say "search it".

Google has 92% of the search market share as of Feb 2021.

[Castrol for a knave]

blackrabbit said:

Dagnir said:

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

Agreed, most portals like Yahoo for example are 95% made up of stories from left wing links like Huff Post and the Guardian. CA bigtech is basically filtering news to fits its WOKE agenda. Look at the way they promote non stop Biden positive stories yet did the opposite with Trump.

Off to Google "tiny violin".

[blackrabbit]

Castrol for a knave said:

blackrabbit said:

Dagnir said:

Slowly but surely the world is waking up to the insidious practices of big tech.

Let's hope it snowballs...

Agreed, most portals like Yahoo for example are 95% made up of stories from left wing links like Huff Post and the Guardian. CA bigtech is basically filtering news to fits its WOKE agenda. Look at the way they promote non stop Biden positive stories yet did the opposite with Trump.

Off to Google "tiny violin".

How would you feel if FOX bought google?

[hyphen]

Castrol for a knave said:

Off to Google "tiny violin".

You need to Google image "tiny violin", not google it. Noob

[Dagnir]

Castrol for a knave said:

Off to Google "tiny violin".

That's an ignorant, unhelpful and inflammatory response.

Anything to add to the deeper conversation?