Stephen Byers common thief?
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The little green scumbag is in the news again. Not only did he employ liars, it appears he now deliberately disabled rail track so he could re privatise it for 40p. The slimeball thinks this is ok because the cancer trains are good for the country. The question is should he be hung flogged or just deported?
BliarOut said:
What have you got against the stocks nonegreen?
Many years have passed since nonegreen played cricket in the Central Lancashire League and was blisteringly fast. Now as I have reached middle age my throwing arm carries insufficient venom to smash the skull of filth and slime like Byers.
I got to say, the people who brought this case are saying that Byers masterminded the whole financial and corporate restructure to basically bankrupt and then re-finance what was Railtrack....
Now, if I were Byers I would take that as a complement - I mean that takes some pretty clever thinking!
I think they are overestimating the chap who happened to be there at the wrong time. Not suggesting that he didnt "push" or anything like that. But a mastermind? From the labour party? Who had a ministerial job? Come on, back to reality please.....
Now, if I were Byers I would take that as a complement - I mean that takes some pretty clever thinking!
I think they are overestimating the chap who happened to be there at the wrong time. Not suggesting that he didnt "push" or anything like that. But a mastermind? From the labour party? Who had a ministerial job? Come on, back to reality please.....
off_again said:
I got to say, the people who brought this case are saying that Byers masterminded the whole financial and corporate restructure to basically bankrupt and then re-finance what was Railtrack....
Now, if I were Byers I would take that as a complement - I mean that takes some pretty clever thinking!
I think they are overestimating the chap who happened to be there at the wrong time. Not suggesting that he didnt "push" or anything like that. But a mastermind? From the labour party? Who had a ministerial job? Come on, back to reality please.....
If he did it for the good of the country I could plead the same defense when I have shot Begg, Byers or Blair?
The current issue of Private Eye (who have no reason to assist or like Byers) has a good counterpoint on pp12.
Railtrack failed in its public duty to maintain the railways infrastructure. It abandoned established maintenance procedures (which had been pretty successful for British Rail). It removed the qualified engineers and replaced them with bean counters. It left outside maintenance contractors largely unsupervised. It decided rails could last 128 years. It fundamentally compromised safety, never mind basic performance. And it managed to pay handsome dividends to shareholders when revenue and profits failed to justify it.
Network Rail is receiving just the sort of assistance that was proposed as a rescue package for Railtrack. However, NR has re-employed engineers, has cancelled contracts with (some) incompetent contractors. It has improved standards, and is still correcting the damage caused in Railtrack's brief tenure.
Byers may have gone about it the wrong way (and may be a complete arse). But fundamentally the right thing was done for the simple reason that Railtrack was fundamentally inept.
Railtrack failed in its public duty to maintain the railways infrastructure. It abandoned established maintenance procedures (which had been pretty successful for British Rail). It removed the qualified engineers and replaced them with bean counters. It left outside maintenance contractors largely unsupervised. It decided rails could last 128 years. It fundamentally compromised safety, never mind basic performance. And it managed to pay handsome dividends to shareholders when revenue and profits failed to justify it.
Network Rail is receiving just the sort of assistance that was proposed as a rescue package for Railtrack. However, NR has re-employed engineers, has cancelled contracts with (some) incompetent contractors. It has improved standards, and is still correcting the damage caused in Railtrack's brief tenure.
Byers may have gone about it the wrong way (and may be a complete arse). But fundamentally the right thing was done for the simple reason that Railtrack was fundamentally inept.
HiRich said:
The current issue of Private Eye (who have no reason to assist or like Byers) has a good counterpoint on pp12.
Railtrack failed in its public duty to maintain the railways infrastructure. It abandoned established maintenance procedures (which had been pretty successful for British Rail). It removed the qualified engineers and replaced them with bean counters. It left outside maintenance contractors largely unsupervised. It decided rails could last 128 years. It fundamentally compromised safety, never mind basic performance. And it managed to pay handsome dividends to shareholders when revenue and profits failed to justify it.
Network Rail is receiving just the sort of assistance that was proposed as a rescue package for Railtrack. However, NR has re-employed engineers, has cancelled contracts with (some) incompetent contractors. It has improved standards, and is still correcting the damage caused in Railtrack's brief tenure.
Byers may have gone about it the wrong way (and may be a complete arse). But fundamentally the right thing was done for the simple reason that Railtrack was fundamentally inept.
The subsidy Railtrack was getting was fraction of what Network Rail gets today so the comparison is not like for like.
And don't for a minute believe that Network Rail employ less bean counters. They employ far more bean counters than ever before.
tinman0 said:
The subsidy Railtrack was getting was fraction of what Network Rail gets today so the comparison is not like for like.
Correct, but it is comparable to the bailout that Railtrack wanted. So it is fair comparison. Then consider that Network Rail is recovering the service over the dismal standards set by Railtrack, and not paying out dividends, and there is a pretty strong case.
HiRich said:
The current issue of Private Eye (who have no reason to assist or like Byers) has a good counterpoint on pp12.
Railtrack failed in its public duty to maintain the railways infrastructure. It abandoned established maintenance procedures (which had been pretty successful for British Rail). It removed the qualified engineers and replaced them with bean counters. It left outside maintenance contractors largely unsupervised. It decided rails could last 128 years. It fundamentally compromised safety, never mind basic performance. And it managed to pay handsome dividends to shareholders when revenue and profits failed to justify it.
Network Rail is receiving just the sort of assistance that was proposed as a rescue package for Railtrack. However, NR has re-employed engineers, has cancelled contracts with (some) incompetent contractors. It has improved standards, and is still correcting the damage caused in Railtrack's brief tenure.
Byers may have gone about it the wrong way (and may be a complete arse). But fundamentally the right thing was done for the simple reason that Railtrack was fundamentally inept.
You forgot to say that they "stole it" for 2 Million pounds in the first place, they were recieving more subsidy than when it was a "nationalised" organisation. Safety had "gone to pot" they never did "pay out" to those that they killed, and Steven Norris, (Conservative candidate for London Mayor) and (Conservative party Chairman at one point) was also a "non-exectutive director" of "Jarvis" the rail Maintenance company who helped to kill all those people in a disasterous period of rail management! Funny how he NEVER mentioned that at the time?
Byers was, and will be proven to be, right!
Shareholders in a public funded enterprise...oh what a gravy train they thought that must have been before it was derailed...puns for emphasis forgive me.
It was renationalised at a price higher than it was listed for. Shareholders..and maybe there's some of you on here, will have seen it as a wonderful win/win opportunity to funnel some taxpayers money into private pockets. Flawed from the outset.
It was renationalised at a price higher than it was listed for. Shareholders..and maybe there's some of you on here, will have seen it as a wonderful win/win opportunity to funnel some taxpayers money into private pockets. Flawed from the outset.
Byers is just one of a series of lying thieving stealing political nobodies who are in the process of stealing or destroying our heritage by design. He should be hung drawn and quartered publicly (as should his boss bLIAR) after having been soaked for 24 hours in a cesspit!!!
Deliberate socialist destruction of GB by thes b4st4rds!!!
Mind you Railtrack weren't up to scratch either but the shareholders should have sorted those thieves out!!!
Deliberate socialist destruction of GB by thes b4st4rds!!!
Mind you Railtrack weren't up to scratch either but the shareholders should have sorted those thieves out!!!
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