Snowdon to be renamed

[saaby93]

Snowdon has a different name in Welsh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56913993

Anyone know when the welsh name came into use?

A number of places in Wales (and outside) seem to be gaining new names

[NuvolAscaRina]

Having read the article , which gives the correct pronunciation of the new name , all English speakers will

mis pronounce it now ad infinitum .

[Einion Yrth]

NuvolAscaRina said:

Having read the article , which gives the correct pronunciation of the new name , all English speakers will

mis pronounce it now ad infinitum .

English speakers will continue to call it Snowdon, for the most part, I would think.

[motco]

saaby93 said:

Snowdon has a different name in Welsh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56913993

Anyone know when the welsh name came into use?

A number of places in Wales (and outside) seem to be gaining new names

The Welsh name was on my OS maps when I first went hill walking there in 1965 - nothing new.

[deckster]

Einion Yrth said:

NuvolAscaRina said:

Having read the article , which gives the correct pronunciation of the new name , all English speakers will

mis pronounce it now ad infinitum .

English speakers will continue to call it Snowdon, for the most part, I would think.

For a few years, maybe. Denali and Uluru have both pretty much shaken off their colonial names in less than a generation.

But definitely, it'll be mispronounced forever more.

[Tankrizzo]

It's not "to be renamed". One bloody councillor suggested it and they'll talk about it.

[Einion Yrth]

Given that to the best of my knowledge it's always been called Yr Wyddfa in Welsh, and Welsh is arguably an older language than English, there is no renaming here at all. Well except to "Snowdon", of course.

[saaby93]

Einion Yrth said:

NuvolAscaRina said:

Having read the article , which gives the correct pronunciation of the new name , all English speakers will

mis pronounce it now ad infinitum .

English speakers will continue to call it Snowdon, for the most part, I would think.

ok on the BBC site it says
The Welsh name for Snowdon, Yr Wyddfa, means grave and is pronounced like "er with-va".

However if you look up Yr it means 'the'
and
Wyddfa is burial mound or Arboretum

so at best
Yr Wyddfa means The burial mound or The grave rather than just Grave

or is the BBC right that it is just Grave?

[Einion Yrth]

saaby93 said:

Einion Yrth said:

NuvolAscaRina said:

Having read the article , which gives the correct pronunciation of the new name , all English speakers will

mis pronounce it now ad infinitum .

English speakers will continue to call it Snowdon, for the most part, I would think.

ok on the BBC site it says
The Welsh name for Snowdon, Yr Wyddfa, means grave and is pronounced like "er with-va".

However if you look up Yr it means 'the'
and
Wyddfa is burial mound or Arboretum

so at best
Yr Wyddfa means The burial mound or The grave rather than just Grave

or is the BBC right that it is just Grave?

It's the burial mound of a legendary giant, if you dig deeper. So The Grave would be better.

[Tankrizzo]

saaby93 said:

ok on the BBC site it says
The Welsh name for Snowdon, Yr Wyddfa, means grave and is pronounced like "er with-va".

However if you look up Yr it means 'the'
and
Wyddfa is burial mound or Arboretum

so at best
Yr Wyddfa means The burial mound or The grave rather than just Grave

or is the BBC right that it is just Grave?

I dunno about grave but I'm sure it's an old word for burial mound, maybe "barrow" would be closer.

[IroningMan]

saaby93 said:

ok on the BBC site it says
The Welsh name for Snowdon, Yr Wyddfa, means grave and is pronounced like "er with-va".

However if you look up Yr it means 'the'
and
Wyddfa is burial mound or Arboretum

so at best
Yr Wyddfa means The burial mound or The grave rather than just Grave

or is the BBC right that it is just Grave?

There are some languages in which a noun is never used without its accompanying article - I believe Ancient Greek is one such. Not sure if Welsh is, too, though.

[towser44]

Will I have to walk up it again under this name now for it to count?

[Einion Yrth]

IroningMan said:

saaby93 said:

ok on the BBC site it says
The Welsh name for Snowdon, Yr Wyddfa, means grave and is pronounced like "er with-va".

However if you look up Yr it means 'the'
and
Wyddfa is burial mound or Arboretum

so at best
Yr Wyddfa means The burial mound or The grave rather than just Grave

or is the BBC right that it is just Grave?

There are some languages in which a noun is never used without its accompanying article - I believe Ancient Greek is one such. Not sure if Welsh is, too, though.

Welsh has no indefinite article, thus a noun can, indeed in some cases must, appear without an article.

[saaby93]

I've looked on an old map and the mountain or ridge as a whole seems to be Snowdon
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=5...

The summit is indicated as Y Wyddfa so likely to be ' the burial mound ' at the top of Snowdon

[Riley Blue]

saaby93 said:

I've looked on an old map and the mountain or ridge as a whole seems to be Snowdon
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=5...

The summit is indicated as Y Wyddfa so likely to be ' the burial mound ' at the top of Snowdon

Yet it has nearby features such as 'hotel' and 'mine' in English, not Welsh.

[Rh14n]

It's always been known as Yr Wyddfa in Welsh, just as Eryri is the Welsh name for Snowdonia. It's only non-Welsh speakers who call it Snowdon and Snowdonia.

[anonymous-user]

It’s not really like Ayers Rock changing to uluru, just prioritising the welsh translation of snowdon ?

So you can still correctly say snowdon ?

[Rh14n]

Iwantafusca said:

It’s not really like Ayers Rock changing to uluru, just prioritising the welsh translation of snowdon ?

So you can still correctly say snowdon ?

No ... it is just like Ayers Rock now being called by its original name Uluru. Yr Wyddfa is the original, correct name and is not a translation of Snowdon. Snowdon is an anglo-saxon word used by the English (usually because they can't be bothered to make the effort to pronounce the Welsh name).

[tangerine_sedge]

To the mods, can we rename this thread to "Yr Wyddfa is Welsh for Snowden you 'tard"? Please

[Cold]

Rh14n said:

Iwantafusca said:

It’s not really like Ayers Rock changing to uluru, just prioritising the welsh translation of snowdon ?

So you can still correctly say snowdon ?

No ... it is just like Ayers Rock now being called by its original name Uluru. Yr Wyddfa is the original, correct name and is not a translation of Snowdon. Snowdon is an anglo-saxon word used by the English (usually because they can't be bothered to make the effort to pronounce the Welsh name).

But only about eight people in Wales speak Welsh, so you can't place the whole blame on the English.