Noel Clarke

[bitchstewie]

I know the face from adverts for something on Sky but that's about all.

Wouldn't want to be him today.

‘Sexual predator’: actor Noel Clarke accused of groping, harassment and bullying by 20 women

Christ

[Byker28i]

...and yet they went ahead and gave him a Bafta?

[rev-erend]

There used to be a saying.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Not any more.

Trial by media.

[rover 623gsi]

There also used to be a saying “don’t be an absolute by treating women like st”

Or something like that anyway

That Guardian article is incredibly detailed and damning

His career is pretty much over

[TonyToniTone]

Byker28i said:

...and yet they went ahead and gave him a Bafta?

Maybe their time machine was on the blink.

[tangerine_sedge]

Outraged enough to start a thread, not outraged enough to get his name right in the thread title?

[633Squadron]

TonyToniTone said:

Byker28i said:

...and yet they went ahead and gave him a Bafta?

Maybe their time machine was on the blink.

[joshleb]

tangerine_sedge said:

Outraged enough to start a thread, not outraged enough to get his name right in the thread title?

Unless he meant to put Noel's Johnson

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

Byker28i said:

...and yet they went ahead and gave him a Bafta?

“Bafta does not dispute it received anonymous emails and reports of allegations via intermediaries, but said it was provided with no evidence that would allow it to investigate.”

With no evidence offered, they did the right thing at the time.

[Gecko1978]

20 women is a lot to dispute but Alex Salmond was accused by 10 and was found bot guilty. Who knows these days. However you have to wonder, rich and famous why the feck would you risk all of that falling apart my having wandering hands surely many women out there liked him.

[Muzzer79]

rev-erend said:

There used to be a saying.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Not any more.

Trial by media.

rover 623gsi said:

There also used to be a saying “don’t be an absolute by treating women like st”

Or something like that anyway

That Guardian article is incredibly detailed and damning

His career is pretty much over

So guilty because The Guardian says so?

You'd think we'd learn in this country to start not thinking that everything in a newspaper is gospel.

If it's found to be factual that he has done the things he's accused of then he should get everything thrown at him, but not until then.

[rover 623gsi]

Have you read the article?

[rscott]

Muzzer79 said:

rev-erend said:

There used to be a saying.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Not any more.

Trial by media.

rover 623gsi said:

There also used to be a saying “don’t be an absolute by treating women like st”

Or something like that anyway

That Guardian article is incredibly detailed and damning

His career is pretty much over

So guilty because The Guardian says so?

You'd think we'd learn in this country to start not thinking that everything in a newspaper is gospel.

If it's found to be factual that he has done the things he's accused of then he should get everything thrown at him, but not until then.

Think Bafta are right to suspend him while it's investigated though, provided any investigation happens quickly..

[Gecko1978]

Ed Westwick was accused of similar things and it was decided they were not factual so he could well be innocent....equally he might be a total c@@# but deciding based on a news paper article seems a bit much.

[Muzzer79]

rover 623gsi said:

Have you read the article?

Yes I have.

I also previously read articles about Cliff Richard, Tony Blackburn and Matthew Kelly, to name only 3 men who were falsely accused.

I base my opinion on facts. Facts are not compulsory in articles such as the one you referred to.

[lauda]

Muzzer79 said:

So guilty because The Guardian says so?

You'd think we'd learn in this country to start not thinking that everything in a newspaper is gospel.

If it's found to be factual that he has done the things he's accused of then he should get everything thrown at him, but not until then.

You’re right that due process has to be followed and he is innocent until proven guilty.

However the allegations are very detailed and there appears to be consistency and corroboration in what’s being alleged by a significant number of women. And a number of the accusers have gone on the record publicly.

Is there a chance he’s totally innocent and will be found to be so by a court? Sure. Do I believe that will happen? No.

In the same way I don’t need a court of law to tell me Jimmy Savile was guilty either.

Muzzer79 said:

I also previously read articles about Cliff Richard, Tony Blackburn and Matthew Kelly, to name only 3 men who were falsely accused.

I don’t think the fact patterns of the allegations for those cases bear much resemblance to what we're seeing here.

Edited by lauda on Friday 30th April 14:24

[Muzzer79]

La Liga said:

Muzzer79 said:

So guilty because The Guardian says so?

The Guardian doesn't say that.

I know

[craigjm]

There are laws to protect against these things
The basic premise of those laws is innocent until proven guilty
Trial by media really has to stop and they need to come down hard on it
If there is evidence then charge him and set a court date and then deal with it through the proper channels
If he is guilty then sentence him
If not then state not guilty and move on
Anything other than this ruins people for no reason

[FunkyNige]

I'm a bit lost with the timeline, is it:
13 days before BAFTAs, some people email the BAFTAs with some allegations on behalf of other people about Noel Clarke
BAFTA tell those people to get in touch with the appropriate authorities
BAFTA gives an award to Noel Clarke
This causes the women mentioned in the initial emails to get in touch with the Guardian who start investigating
Guardian contact the BAFTAs who say there was nothing they could do with second hand allegations and no evidence
Guardian publish the story with interviews with the alleged abusees (not sure on the correct term, I know 'victim' is now seen as wrong)
BAFTA say now there's evidence they will suspend the award

Seems BAFTA was acting as it should have?

[unident]

craigjm said:

There are laws to protect against these things
The basic premise of those laws is innocent until proven guilty
Trial by media really has to stop and they need to come down hard on it
If there is evidence then charge him and set a court date and then deal with it through the proper channels
If he is guilty then sentence him
If not then state not guilty and move on
Anything other than this ruins people for no reason

If he’s been an arse then any employer / club / contract etc has the right to deal with it appropriately. They can all suspend while they investigate, or terminate as they see fit. Not everything has to be tried in a criminal court before action can be taken.