One physical key starts car, the other won't
One physical key starts car, the other won't
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KnucklesTheDog

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4 posts

65 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Hi. Puzzling over this. 99 Hyundai, both keys lock/unlock car physically or with fob. Both keys turn starter motor when trying to start the engine. One key never fires the engine, the other does. Every time. Tried about a dozen times, so this is not coincidence.

Doesn't seem likely this car reads information from the key on starting, but I don't know enough about it to say.

Any ideas? One more piece of information. The key that doesn't start the engine has taken a battering over the years, so could be more worn. In fact I've had to replace the damaged plastic casing and hinge before. Now only used as a spare so not sure how long this key fails to start the car.

How u doing

29,039 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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KnucklesTheDog said:
Hi. Puzzling over this. 99 Hyundai, both keys lock/unlock car physically or with fob. Both keys turn starter motor when trying to start the engine. One key never fires the engine, the other does. Every time. Tried about a dozen times, so this is not coincidence.

Doesn't seem likely this car reads information from the key on starting, but I don't know enough about it to say.

Any ideas? One more piece of information. The key that doesn't start the engine has taken a battering over the years, so could be more worn. In fact I've had to replace the damaged plastic casing and hinge before. Now only used as a spare so not sure how long this key fails to start the car.
They probably have an imboliser chip in the fob. Try taping the fobs together and starting with the dud key.

Edited by How u doing on Sunday 2nd May 16:07

KnucklesTheDog

Original Poster:

4 posts

65 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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That did cross my mind, perhaps it's damaged. Ok thanks. Seemed a bit high tech for this age/model of car.

Will try your suggestion. Cheers.

Edited by KnucklesTheDog on Sunday 2nd May 16:09

Chris32345

2,141 posts

92 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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KnucklesTheDog said:
That did cross my mind, perhaps it's damaged. Ok thanks. Seemed a bit high tech for this age/model of car.

Will try your suggestion. Cheers.

Edited by KnucklesTheDog on Sunday 2nd May 16:09
All cars have been required to have a imboliser on the UK since around 98

KnucklesTheDog

Original Poster:

4 posts

65 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Interesting. There's a typo in my original post too, I meant 09. Doesn't time fly!

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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I can't speak for Hyundai by Chevrolet (GM) cars from that era had a resistor in the physical key. Unless the physical key has the correct value resistor the car won't start. This is in addition to any activity with the electronic key fob. It was called the VATS system and there were 15 different resistor values. A key with an incorrect resistor, or a broken resistor, will not work.

"There is a resistor embedded on the ignition key. When the key is inserted into the lock and turned, an electrical current runs through the resistor. The amount of current reduction caused by the resistor is measured. If the current reduction matches what the vehicle's system expects, the car is allowed to start. If the current reduction is higher or lower than what the vehicle's system expects, the vehicle will be prevented from starting - even with the correct key - for several minutes. No alarm sounds and the only indication that the vehicle has been disabled is an indicator on the dash."

A quick google suggests Hyundai may have been using the same thing,
https://www.hyundai-forums.com/threads/anti-theft-...


Matt_E_Mulsion

1,746 posts

95 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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I agree there is either no chip in the key that doesn't work or its knackered.

drdino

1,330 posts

172 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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If the key has a separate immobiliser chip (usual for cars from that era), did you move it over when you swapped the housing?

Immobiliser is also a separate function to remote locking so this could explain why one works but the other doesn't.

KnucklesTheDog

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4 posts

65 months

Monday 3rd May 2021
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Holding the good key in the same hand whilst using the bad key to start the engine is all it took. So this looks like a bad immobiliser in one fob.

Thanks for all the replies. For the record, yes I did swap everything over when I switched plastic casings.

Spare tyre

12,613 posts

160 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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In the old days you’d take the steering wheel cowlings off, tape the good key inside (so fob could be read)

Then just physical keys to start it

Essentially you had bypassed the immobiliser, so you take the risk etc