Gas boiler ban in 4 years?
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A500leroy

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7,775 posts

142 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-571...

If a heat pump really costs £16000, whos going to buy one?

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo

15,078 posts

193 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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A500leroy said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-571...

If a heat pump really costs £16000, whos going to buy one?
Worth investing in wood burners I think

poo at Paul's

14,557 posts

199 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
A500leroy said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-571...

If a heat pump really costs £16000, whos going to buy one?
Worth investing in wood burners I think
We can all just burn our plastic, why should the Turks benefit from all that free heat? biggrin

Tlandcruiser

2,840 posts

222 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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The 2025 ban is for new builds only.

Electro1980

8,931 posts

163 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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A500leroy said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-571...

If a heat pump really costs £16000, whos going to buy one?
Air source heat pumps are about £6k. Still about 2-3 times that of a new gas boiler, and too expensive for mass use at the moment, but not £16k

cb31

1,372 posts

160 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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While I don't agree with the ban in the slightest, I can at least see it working somehow with new builds where they are designed with the heating system in mind.

What happens with my older house with a gas boiler. Say it breaks down in 5 years and I can't get it fixed, what happens then? Replacing a gas boiler with something else is going to mean changing the rest of the heating system. What would be a £2k or so replacement might end up costing me £20k if I need the garden digging up or 15 new bigger radiators or whatever else. It is just ridiculous.

irc

9,385 posts

160 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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Electro1980 said:
A500leroy said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-571...

If a heat pump really costs £16000, whos going to buy one?
Air source heat pumps are about £6k. Still about 2-3 times that of a new gas boiler, and too expensive for mass use at the moment, but not £16k
I think the £16k quoted includes both the boiler and the necessary upgrades to radiators (bigger) and insulation most older houses would need.

Roofless Toothless

7,145 posts

156 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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At the age of 72, fighting cancer, I think my interest in the subject is academic.

However, I wonder how they heat crematoria?

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo

15,078 posts

193 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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anonymous said:
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Until they decide it’s worse than previously thought and bring that date forward to 2015. Then employ boiler reclamation squads to tear boilers out of older homes while running tv advertising turning the public against evil gas users biggrin

AJL308

6,390 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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cb31 said:
While I don't agree with the ban in the slightest, I can at least see it working somehow with new builds where they are designed with the heating system in mind.

What happens with my older house with a gas boiler. Say it breaks down in 5 years and I can't get it fixed, what happens then? Replacing a gas boiler with something else is going to mean changing the rest of the heating system. What would be a £2k or so replacement might end up costing me £20k if I need the garden digging up or 15 new bigger radiators or whatever else. It is just ridiculous.
Move away from using radiators. I'm having my house extended and renovated and it's getting underfloor heating throughout apart from the hallway which will have a radiator. It's much cheaper to run, frees up wall space from radiators and produces a nicer, more evenly heated environment. Cost-wise it's not a big deal if you do it as part of other work, especially if you're renovating a whole house or changing floor coverings in a room. In the former it's probably cheaper as you don't have radiators to buy as any type of rad other than your standard white single or double type (which look like ste, lets be fair) aren't cheap.

NerveAgent

3,780 posts

244 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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Roofless Toothless said:
At the age of 72, fighting cancer, I think my interest in the subject is academic.

However, I wonder how they heat crematoria?
Sous vide?

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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Roofless Toothless said:
However, I wonder how they heat crematoria?
Currently they plug-in to the Mail Online comments section, which generates enough hateheat to cremate 47 million people an hour.

cb31

1,372 posts

160 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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AJL308 said:
Move away from using radiators.
I love ufh but it is easier said than done. We've just had a large extension done and that now has underfloor heating but it just isn't practical in the rest of the house. We'd have to rip up the oak flooring downstairs and then dig out the concrete slab, massive costs. We've got a fancy Viessmann floorstanding boiler with a touchscreen which is new and some lovely radiators downstairs, it would be stupid to do it.

ninja-lewis

5,251 posts

214 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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Roofless Toothless said:
At the age of 72, fighting cancer, I think my interest in the subject is academic.

However, I wonder how they heat crematoria?
https://dfweurope.com/electric-cremator/

Not uncommon in countries where gas is expensive and electricity cheap.

Roofless Toothless

7,145 posts

156 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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anonymous said:
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Well, you guys better stand well back.

Thanks for your good wishes. My ambition is to live long enough to die of something else.

AJL308

6,390 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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cb31 said:
AJL308 said:
Move away from using radiators.
I love ufh but it is easier said than done. We've just had a large extension done and that now has underfloor heating but it just isn't practical in the rest of the house. We'd have to rip up the oak flooring downstairs and then dig out the concrete slab, massive costs. We've got a fancy Viessmann floorstanding boiler with a touchscreen which is new and some lovely radiators downstairs, it would be stupid to do it.
Yes, very good points. It's not going to be practical for some properties. For most places which are getting renovated throughout though it's by far the best way to go. As for new builds; if the regulations specified underfloor heating for those then I suspect that the reduction in fuel usage would be significant. Guy next door to me has done the same as I'm doing and he reckons he's running his heating at a significantly lower setting than he was previously.

cml24

1,553 posts

171 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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This specific report does seem to suggest no new gas boilers for any property, new or otherwise. That could be expensive for some!

It should be easy to implement this for new builds though.

I lived in a four bed semi-detached for a year, built in 2014. Nothing special, just met building regs. During the year it was occupied throughout the day and night and always kept at 21 degrees.

It required 6000kwh of gas to do that. If that was electricity it would not be at all terrible. And I'm sure a new house can be made more efficient and cheaper to heat than a boggo standard cheap new build.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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anonymous said:
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Good luck with that

J6542

3,494 posts

68 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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Where are they expecting all the electricity to come from if everyone switches from gas to electric along with electric cars?

Tom Logan

3,872 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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Roofless Toothless said:
At the age of 72, fighting cancer, I think my interest in the subject is academic.

However, I wonder how they heat crematoria?
I could have written that post word for word. frown

I hope, like for myself, that you have a full recovery.