'Everyone I know who bought an electric car has gone back…’

'Everyone I know who bought an electric car has gone back…’

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gangzoom

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6,314 posts

216 months

Sunday 30th May 2021
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Plenty of us on here like to disagree about a certain EV brand, but ultimately most I suspect agree on easy EVs are to live with.

Just read this piece in the Times, its got a bit of EV bashing from all angles, even taking about the grid melting.......Its pretty hard to see how mass EV adoption can occur when national newspapers are printing this type of tosh.


anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 30th May 2021
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You get charged £1/min if your car is full. laugh

oh, you changed your image. laugh

SWoll

18,454 posts

259 months

Sunday 30th May 2021
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I'm sure there are plenty of people who switched due to reasons of fashion or tax saving who didn't have a usage pattern in any way compatible with EV so have gone back to ICE. Significant reductions in quite a lot of drivers mileages over the past 18 months will also have affected the financial benefits for many I'm sure.

As an example we've gone from running 2 EVs and covering 2000 miles per month at the start of 2020 to 1 EV and 500-750 miles for the past year and a bit. No plans to go back personally as think EV makes for a perfect daily, but can see why some would do, especially if the BIK saving isn't a factor.

Discombobulate

4,852 posts

187 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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To be fair to The Times that was a crosshead of a quote from a trader (and one with his head firmly in the sand).

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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Discombobulate said:
To be fair to The Times that was a crosshead of a quote from a trader (and one with his head firmly in the sand).
Tbh it's a very typical media tactic. Trump was/is great at it.

"I didn't say the stupid thing, but people are saying the stupid thing that I may or may not agree with, in any case it suits my narrative and we're both talking about it now so how stupid really was it? But I was just repeating someone else though."

Anonymous-poster

12,241 posts

207 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?

Most??

What are the others replacing it with??

SWoll

18,454 posts

259 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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ZesPak said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?

Most??

What are the others replacing it with??
Whatever the latest cheap EV deal is on a base spec car for 5k mikes per year? Seemed to be the reason the iPace was so popular initially.

langtounlad

781 posts

172 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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One of my friends purchased a new Model 3 about 9mths ago. Prior to that he had a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but had become a Tesla convert and every conversation was dominated by how Tesla was the best thing since sliced bread. I bumped into him last week, having not seen him for some time due to Covid. He is back in a Mitsubishi PHEV and was hugely disillusioned by the Tesla. His words, 'piece of crap', atrocious build quality, 'cheap materials', rubbish fit & finish', 'rubbish ride quality', 'too much hassle when undertaking longer journey's'. And too expensive when compared to the overall cost of running the Mitsubishi, where he can still do his daily commute on battery power.

I was surprised and disappointed by his comments. Due to his enthusiasm and information about Tesla, I had started to seriously consider one when the time came to replace my 440i. Now I'm not so sure. He did say that the 0-60 of 4.5sec became boring quickly. I'm not so sure about that from personal experience :-)

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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We bought an i3S a couple of weeks ago. Honeymoon period it may be, but we'll never go back to ICE for our runabout car now.

In fact, if/when someone makes a twin-cab pick up for Europe that's EV I'll get out of my Amarok for one too.

Happy to keep an ICE for high-days and trackdays but for me, the ICE is a relic of the past confined to enjoyment. I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.


emperorburger

1,484 posts

67 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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My general observation is that EV's seem to be driven very sedately. I assume published range doesn't get anywhere close to reality if driven like an ICE. Range anxiety must be very stressful.

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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SWoll said:
ZesPak said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?

Most??

What are the others replacing it with??
Whatever the latest cheap EV deal is on a base spec car for 5k mikes per year? Seemed to be the reason the iPace was so popular initially.
I was just referring to... what are you going to replace an ipace with at a Jag dealership other than an ICE?

aestetix1

868 posts

52 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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This is good news really, the fossil industry is getting nervous so they pay for BS articles like this.

MOBB

3,623 posts

128 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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I’ve just gone from a Model 3P to a used VW Up GTI

Nothing to do with EV vs ICE, I just wanted a very small sporty car and whilst the Honda e came close, there just isn’t a small sporty ev on the market that I fancied

I’ll be back in an ev as soon as there is one, and the wife is staying with ev


TheRainMaker

6,348 posts

243 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
For a start, 40% of people can't charge at home, with the charging network we have a the moment in the UK that alone is a massive problem.

I'm lucky, I can charge at home, but if I couldn't the nearest fast charger is 3 miles away and there are only two. The closest Superchargers are 18 miles away.




TheRainMaker

6,348 posts

243 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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aestetix1 said:
This is good news really, the fossil industry is getting nervous so they pay for BS articles like this.
Who paid for the article?

Dashnine

1,314 posts

51 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
ZesPak said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?

Most??

What are the others replacing it with??
Whatever the latest cheap EV deal is on a base spec car for 5k mikes per year? Seemed to be the reason the iPace was so popular initially.
I was just referring to... what are you going to replace an ipace with at a Jag dealership other than an ICE?
Another iPace? I think the point is after experiencing one iPace, ‘most’ are not replacing it with another and are reverting to ICE.

RizzoTheRat

25,199 posts

193 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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TheRainMaker said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
For a start, 40% of people can't charge at home, with the charging network we have a the moment in the UK that alone is a massive problem.

I'm lucky, I can charge at home, but if I couldn't the nearest fast charger is 3 miles away and there are only two. The closest Superchargers are 18 miles away.

Surprised it's only 40%. If the UK wants mass uptake of EV's it's a pretty easy easy thing to solve but they seem to be way behind other countries on rolling out on street charging.

SWoll

18,454 posts

259 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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emperorburger said:
My general observation is that EV's seem to be driven very sedately. I assume published range doesn't get anywhere close to reality if driven like an ICE. Range anxiety must be very stressful.
2 years and 25k miles of EV driving here. Gets driven no differently to previous ICE and never suffered with range anxiety.

You do need to consider if it suits your usage before buying, as with any purchase. Schmee is a perfect example, lives in Central London, can't charge at home, does regular long trips, buys a very inefficient EV with no dedicated network and then moans about it. What a muppet.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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RizzoTheRat said:
TheRainMaker said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
For a start, 40% of people can't charge at home, with the charging network we have a the moment in the UK that alone is a massive problem.

I'm lucky, I can charge at home, but if I couldn't the nearest fast charger is 3 miles away and there are only two. The closest Superchargers are 18 miles away.

Surprised it's only 40%. If the UK wants mass uptake of EV's it's a pretty easy easy thing to solve but they seem to be way behind other countries on rolling out on street charging.
It’s a good point the rain maker puts forward, I just assumed that for a lot of people who can’t charge at home (those living in apartments etc) they will live in modern conurbations with the public transport links that those provide. Ie they really don’t need a vehicle at all.

What is the 40% made up of, the U.K. population or a sub set who own cars?