Iranian Navy, Kharg, on fire and sinks
Discussion
sherman said:
Coincedence that the QE aircraft carrier taskforce is bobbing around that rough area and an Iranian ship just happens to burst into flames? 
In a word - yes.There are plenty of organisations and shady nation states trying very hard to provoke a war between Iran and the West without the UK doing it overtly.
Psycho Warren said:
as said bit odd. You would have expected some fire suppression capability, even then. Also firefighting teams from the crew?
Although wouldn't surprise me if they were just amateurs based on conscripts or poorly educated poorly trained sailors.
Reading between the lines she was a cadet/training ship, other than the core crew those onboard would be as much use in a fire as a rubber toasting fork, even assuming there were extra fearnoughts and BA. Old ships accumulate redundant gear, broken gear doesn't get attended to, stuff gets painted that shouldn't be painted. She was in refit a few years ago and a lot of the propulsion machinery was changed, if fire bulkheads haven't been reinstated properly, QCVs or vent flaps don't work as designed then even a small fire could get out of hand very fast.Although wouldn't surprise me if they were just amateurs based on conscripts or poorly educated poorly trained sailors.
Seight_Returns said:
sherman said:
Coincedence that the QE aircraft carrier taskforce is bobbing around that rough area and an Iranian ship just happens to burst into flames?
In a word - yes.There are plenty of organisations and shady nation states trying very hard to provoke a war between Iran and the West without the UK doing it overtly.
hidetheelephants said:
Reading between the lines she was a cadet/training ship, other than the core crew those onboard would be as much use in a fire as a rubber toasting fork, even assuming there were extra fearnoughts and BA. Old ships accumulate redundant gear, broken gear doesn't get attended to, stuff gets painted that shouldn't be painted. She was in refit a few years ago and a lot of the propulsion machinery was changed, if fire bulkheads haven't been reinstated properly, QCVs or vent flaps don't work as designed then even a small fire could get out of hand very fast.
Depends how backwards they are in their training and basic safety maintenance. No sailor gets on a RN ship without having done a fire fighting course as part of basic training. Any ship, military or civvy worth its salt would have regular fire equipment checks, fire exercises etc. Even a training ship is going to have allocated fire teams from fully trained core crew.
So they really have to be total yahoo cowboys or backwards idiots who shouldn't have a rowing boat let alone a big ship.
FourWheelDrift said:
"Her design is described by Jane's Fighting Ships as incorporating some of the features of the Ol class, but fitted to carry dry stores and ammunition in addition to fuel"
Accident waiting to happen? Although it's take a long time.
Not if the fire gear is maintained and sensible fire safety precautions are taken for magazines, fuel transfer etc etc. Accident waiting to happen? Although it's take a long time.
But i think its going to be a case of even the basics weren't being done in this case.
Plus i suspect half the crew will panic and run away - certainly when I did a fire fighting course when in the RN, about half the students on that course were from various middle east countries and we had a lot of panic'ers/cowards who ran away from training fires leaving others in the s
t, so god knows what they would have been like with the real deal. The RN has its fair share of peacetime incidents too. From memory
Bulwark, fire in engine room
Brazen, grounded in Patagonian canal
Brecon, met a Scottish island coming the other way
Endurance, flood
Jupiter, cosied up to London Bridge
Nottingham, collision
Southampton, collision
T boat, fire
When I trained with the Imperial Iranian Navy officers, they were well paid and very professional. Long time ago!
Bulwark, fire in engine room
Brazen, grounded in Patagonian canal
Brecon, met a Scottish island coming the other way
Endurance, flood
Jupiter, cosied up to London Bridge
Nottingham, collision
Southampton, collision
T boat, fire
When I trained with the Imperial Iranian Navy officers, they were well paid and very professional. Long time ago!
hidetheelephants said:
Also known as the iranian Revolutionary Guards.
id like to think even post revolution, the iranian military commanders would have the presence of mind to realise specialist roles need trained personnel. they wouldnt have lasted this long had they let uneducated fanatic jihadi's pilot f14's for example.
DB4DM said:
The RN has its fair share of peacetime incidents too. From memory
Bulwark, fire in engine room
Brazen, grounded in Patagonian canal
Brecon, met a Scottish island coming the other way
Endurance, flood
Jupiter, cosied up to London Bridge
Nottingham, collision
Southampton, collision
T boat, fire
When I trained with the Imperial Iranian Navy officers, they were well paid and very professional. Long time ago!
only endurance was a total loss and that was only economic because of the age and extent of damage.Bulwark, fire in engine room
Brazen, grounded in Patagonian canal
Brecon, met a Scottish island coming the other way
Endurance, flood
Jupiter, cosied up to London Bridge
Nottingham, collision
Southampton, collision
T boat, fire
When I trained with the Imperial Iranian Navy officers, they were well paid and very professional. Long time ago!
many of the others could have sunk were it not for training, maintenance and equipment.
the ones i trained with were kuwaiti, uae and from qatar, so IMO selection for military training was based more on wealth, political and royal status. being a rich prince does not make one a good candidate for being a military officer. the 3 in my division were total clusterf
ks, lacking even the most basic sense of leadership ability let alone courage.not that i am bitter of course but thier incompetance left me with mild burns. this was on the old fire training units where they used real fire. one was in charge and it was a total cluster of incompetance. i was attack BA and attacking the fire with a kuwaiti beside me making a waterwall while i fought the fire as it was too hot for us to both have ragged spray fighting the fire. the trainers set you up to fail sometimes so as attack BA we were never going to win. if the whole team is really good, you might get the main fearnought fire party to you before having to shut the hatch. otherwise you will have to shut the hatch and boundary cool so the main fire party have to do a full reentry on the compartment. it was getting too hot so went to shut th3 hatch. at that point the kuwaiti turned chicken, dropped his hose and ran for the emergency exit. his hose also boundary cooling would have helped a lot. i stayed as long as i could but had to leave when my whistle went off but did it properly back where i had come from. the compartment with the exit ladder to the top deck was next to the fire and really hot. the ladder handles were too hot to touch at all and as i got about halfway up, the steps were hot enough that the rubber on my issue steaming bats began to soften and melt making the steps slippery like an ice rink. managed to get out anyway with much cursing to find the top deck ablaze with burning fuel as the leader was so bad they decided to throw fuel on the deck to demonstrate how bad thier cooling was. due to addrenalin i hadnt realised i got fairly well cooked and over the next couple days my skin peeled off like a bad dose of sunburn. LOL. i was cursing them everytime i had the urge to itch! lol.
Looking at the Kharg in a little more detail, I wonder if there was a plan to limit the range of the rest of the Iranian navy by sinking her.
An assessment published in 2014, mentions that Kharg was an essential long-distance blue-water asset for the IRIN because of her ability to extend the range of Iranian warships, adding that "without this vessel, the small number of Iranian frigates would be unable to embark on extended deployments without consistent and frequent port visits along the way"
An assessment published in 2014, mentions that Kharg was an essential long-distance blue-water asset for the IRIN because of her ability to extend the range of Iranian warships, adding that "without this vessel, the small number of Iranian frigates would be unable to embark on extended deployments without consistent and frequent port visits along the way"
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