Parking on a dual lane carriageway white line?

[dibbers006]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 07 November 2023 at 13:26

[Dr Mike Oxgreen]

Highway Code Rule 240:

You MUST NOT stop or park on:

• the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
• a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
• a clearway (see ‘Traffic signs’)
• taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
• an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (see ‘Traffic signs’)
• a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
• a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation
• a cycle track
• red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 141).

Edited by Dr Mike Oxgreen on Saturday 12th June 14:29

[vonhosen]

dibbers006 said:

• Single carriageway
• Two lane uphill
• One lane downhill
• Flow directions separated by double solid white lines (nothing physical)
• No parking restrictions by sign

Is one allowed to park nearside, upstream on the unbroken solid white line, edge of highway indicator?

(Or even fully over the solid white lane, on rough, flat, ground?)

I think yes. But unwise depending on traffic speed and density. And making sure the road is not obstructed in any way.

Am I wrong?

TSRGD 2016 said:

No stopping or crossing white line marking

9.—(1) The requirements conveyed to vehicular traffic on roads by a road marking provided for at items 23 and 24 of the sign table in Part 6 of this Schedule are that—

(a)subject to sub-paragraphs (2) to (4), no vehicle is to stop on any length of road along which the marking has been placed at any point between the ends of the marking; and

(b)subject to sub-paragraph (5), every vehicle proceeding on any length of road along which the marking has been so placed, as viewed in the direction of travel of the vehicle, a continuous line is on the left of a broken line or of another continuous line, must be so driven as to keep the first-mentioned continuous line on the right hand or off side of the vehicle.

(2) Nothing in sub-paragraph (1)(a) applies so as to prevent a vehicle stopping on any length of road so long as may be necessary for any of the purposes specified in sub-paragraph (3) if the vehicle cannot be used for such a purpose without stopping on the length of road.

(3) The purposes are—

(a)to enable a person to board or alight from the vehicle,

(b)to enable goods to be loaded on to or to be unloaded from the vehicle,

(c)to enable the vehicle to be used in connection with—

(i)any operation involving building, demolition or excavation;

(ii)the removal of any obstruction to traffic;

(iii)the maintenance, improvement or reconstruction of the length of road; or

(iv)the laying, erection, alteration, repair or cleaning in or near the length of road of any sewer or of any main, pipe or apparatus for the supply of gas, water or electricity, or of any electronic communications apparatus kept installed for the purposes of an electronic communications code system or of any other electronic communications apparatus lawfully kept installed in any position.

(4) Nothing in sub-paragraph (1)(a) applies—

(a)so as to prevent a vehicle stopping in a lay-by;

(b)to a vehicle being used for at least one of the following purposes—

(i)fire and rescue authority;

(ii)Scottish Fire and Rescue Service;

(iii)traffic officer;

(iv)ambulance;

(v)providing a response to an emergency at the request of an NHS ambulance service;

(vi)bomb or explosive disposal;

(vii)special forces;

(viii)police; and

(ix)National Crime Agency.

(c)to a pedal cycle;

(d)to a vehicle stopping in any case where the person in control of the vehicle is required by law to stop, or is obliged to do so in order to avoid an accident, or is prevented from proceeding by circumstances outside the person’s control;

(e)to anything done with the permission or at the direction of a constable in uniform, traffic officer in uniform or in accordance with the direction of a traffic warden; or

(f)to a vehicle on a road with more than one traffic lane in each direction.

[matchmaker]

And it's not a dual carriageway...

[Dr Jekyll]

But it is a dual lane carriageway, at least in one direction.

[MustangGT]

Dr Jekyll said:

But it is a dual lane carriageway, at least in one direction.

No it is not. It has two lanes in one direction, one in the other. A dual carriageway must have a physical separation between the directional lanes and can have a single lane in each direction.

[Dr Jekyll]

MustangGT said:

Dr Jekyll said:

But it is a dual lane carriageway, at least in one direction.

No it is not. It has two lanes in one direction, one in the other. A dual carriageway must have a physical separation between the directional lanes and can have a single lane in each direction.

But a dual lane carriageway only needs dual lanes in that carriageway.

[Pica-Pica]

Give me strength!

[Pica-Pica]

As I understand it, you can park completely on the grass/gravel verge as long as you are completely off the road. That was from a police officer who advised our parish council (the issue was parking completely on a grass verge to pick up children from a secondary school). As long as there is no physical or visual obstruction to road users. You may, however, be committing trespass on that land. That was as we were advised some years back.

I do not know OP’s situation, but I personally would think that a bit antisocial.

[J__Wood]

Pica-Pica said:

As I understand it, you can park completely on the grass/gravel verge as long as you are completely off the road. That was from a police officer who advised our parish council (the issue was parking completely on a grass verge to pick up children from a secondary school). As long as there is no physical or visual obstruction to road users. You may, however, be committing trespass on that land. That was as we were advised some years back.

I do not know OP’s situation, but I personally would think that a bit antisocial.

Won't there be a risk that it may be caught up in 1835 Highways act Section 72 "If any person shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers; or shall wilfully lead or drive any horse, ass, sheep, mule, swine, or cattle or carriage of any description, or any truck or sledge, upon any such footpath or causeway; or shall tether any horse, ass, mule, swine, or cattle, on any highway, so as to suffer or permit the tethered animal to be thereon." ?

The same legislation the DOT cited back in 2006 when it ruled that Segways could not be legally used on pavements.

As ever difficult to park on the causeway/footway/footpath/pavement without first driving on it.

[Pica-Pica]

J__Wood said:

Pica-Pica said:

As I understand it, you can park completely on the grass/gravel verge as long as you are completely off the road. That was from a police officer who advised our parish council (the issue was parking completely on a grass verge to pick up children from a secondary school). As long as there is no physical or visual obstruction to road users. You may, however, be committing trespass on that land. That was as we were advised some years back.

I do not know OP’s situation, but I personally would think that a bit antisocial.

Won't there be a risk that it may be caught up in 1835 Highways act Section 72 "If any person shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers; or shall wilfully lead or drive any horse, ass, sheep, mule, swine, or cattle or carriage of any description, or any truck or sledge, upon any such footpath or causeway; or shall tether any horse, ass, mule, swine, or cattle, on any highway, so as to suffer or permit the tethered animal to be thereon." ?

The same legislation the DOT cited back in 2006 when it ruled that Segways could not be legally used on pavements.

As ever difficult to park on the causeway/footway/footpath/pavement without first driving on it.

In my example, there was no pathway, just an expanse of grass.