Employment explosion
Discussion
Apparently the Audit commission (or whatever they are called) has published a report showing there were 72,000 more people employed in the public sector last year.
[b]72,000[/b]
That is incredible. If we assume an average gross cost of 20k per person (probably a low figure) that requires £ 1,440,000,000 to fund the increase. (minus a small amount that would be grabbed back in taxation directly and a larger amount indirectly. So we might assume that half that amount has to come from outside the government money circulation operation.
No wonder we are always being told we have low unemployment and therefore a successful economy.
But if so many are employed, why are the public services so dire? Or are they dire [i]because[/i] so many people are employed?
[b]72,000[/b]
That is incredible. If we assume an average gross cost of 20k per person (probably a low figure) that requires £ 1,440,000,000 to fund the increase. (minus a small amount that would be grabbed back in taxation directly and a larger amount indirectly. So we might assume that half that amount has to come from outside the government money circulation operation.
No wonder we are always being told we have low unemployment and therefore a successful economy.
But if so many are employed, why are the public services so dire? Or are they dire [i]because[/i] so many people are employed?
They're in the right line of work as well... 
fuel on the fire
>> Edited by Dave D on Saturday 16th July 11:35
BBC News said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4683879.stm
Public sector workers 'paid more'
Public sector workers are better paid than their private sector counterparts, the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) has said.
Since 2001, public sector wages have risen the fastest, the CIPD found.
Public sector workers earn on average 17% more per hour
As a result, public sector workers now earn 17% more per hour on average than private sector workers.
"The perception that public sector workers are poorly paid... perhaps needs some revision," John Philpott, chief executive of the CIPD, said.
Job prospects
On Friday, official statistics will reveal how many new public sector jobs have been created in the past year.
The CIPD predicted that the figures will show that as many as 75,000 posts have been created in the public sector over the past year.
In total, more than 650,000 new public sector jobs have been created since the late 1990s.
Since 2001, the public sector has been the main driver of employment growth in the UK.
Role reversal
The rise in wages and the number of public sector jobs bucks the historic trend.
According to the report, in the past public sector workers have often been playing catch-up with the private sector over wages and job prospects.
However, of late, the roles have been reversed with public sector workers doing better.
In 2004, public sector workers earned 3.5% more per a week than their private sector counterparts.
On an hourly basis, public sector workers earned 17% more on average.
But amongst the top 25% of earners, those employed in the private sector still enjoyed the higher wages.
fuel on the fire
>> Edited by Dave D on Saturday 16th July 11:35
Dave D said:
Public sector workers 'paid more'
Public sector workers are better paid than their private sector counterparts, the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) has said.
Hmm. Not bad. Better rates of pay and, according to many, naff all to do!
Suddenly I find myself liking our local councils and wondering what opportunities they offer - especially any that would allow me to work from home when I choose to ...
... but I thought we always chided the likes of Germany and France for their high levels of expenditure and employment in 'unsustainable' public service roles? Did I misread that?
Eric Mc said:
That's all right. It will be more than adequately funded by the return of the £2 billion paid out in error under the Tax Credit system.
You said it, chief: ok, a particularly glaring howler, this one but what implications does this have for wider public finances across the whole sector?
Because at the end of the day, for those of us (i.e most of us!) battling hell for leather in the entirely unsubsidised sectors, this 'easy come, easy go' profligacy with others' hard earned is simply unnacceptable.
I left because I was climbing the walls with boredom.
I'd rather be unemployed than have to face the prospect of sitting at a desk, with nothing to do, next to a whinging leftie.
Just couldn't bear it any more.
If you ask me, the problem was that the money had been spent on personnel, and consequently there was no money to do anything but generate paper, and file it.
(Not even enough money to be able to file it electronically)
I suppose, when you translate that into public services, you begin to realise that the government offers plenty of advice, but can't offer any action.
I'd rather be unemployed than have to face the prospect of sitting at a desk, with nothing to do, next to a whinging leftie.
Just couldn't bear it any more.
If you ask me, the problem was that the money had been spent on personnel, and consequently there was no money to do anything but generate paper, and file it.
(Not even enough money to be able to file it electronically)
I suppose, when you translate that into public services, you begin to realise that the government offers plenty of advice, but can't offer any action.
72,000 is only part of the total number of new public sector jobs added since Labour came to power, which now approaches the 600,000 mark.
Most of whom do not work in Front-Line services.
In regard to Pay not only do Public Secor workers earn more, they also have far better pensions.
Labour has presided over the destruction of the final salary pension scheme in the Private sector.
Most of whom do not work in Front-Line services.
In regard to Pay not only do Public Secor workers earn more, they also have far better pensions.
Labour has presided over the destruction of the final salary pension scheme in the Private sector.
parrot of doom said:
Public workers also includes Policemen, Doctors, Nurses, Firemen, CPSOs, etc....
Who are, if we believe them, underpaid and overworked.
dilbert said:
I left because I was climbing the walls with boredom.
I'd rather be unemployed than have to face the prospect of sitting at a desk, with nothing to do, next to a whinging leftie.
To second Dilbert I've heard friends who have worked in both the public and private sectors say that the public sector is a bit like a non stop holiday.
Are some areas really overworked? Or they all just leftie shysters? Is it very dependant on the job that they do?
How many of you have actually worked in both the public and private sectors? What do you all think?
anhamgrimmar said:
Public workers also includes Policemen, Doctors, Nurses, Firemen, CPSOs, etc....
HM forces?
If I were still in the armed forces I would be spitting feathers. They are at their most underfunded ever, cutbacks everywhere.
The morale is still as good, but for how long? I still retain many ties with my old units and quite frankly how on earth the personnel keep up the morale I never know.
I left 8 years ago now, and no doubt it has changed considerably. It was getting bad then.
Maybe some of our HM forces ph'ers could add comment.
Makes me
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