Deaf campaigner takes legal action over No 10 briefings
Deaf campaigner takes legal action over No 10 briefings
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Zoon

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7,222 posts

145 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57496730

With respect can she not look on the BBC news website?
What next sign language on Coronation Street.

motco

17,387 posts

270 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Zoon said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57496730

With respect can she not look on the BBC news website?
What next sign language on Coronation Street.
For some reason she wants the signer to be actually in the same place as the speakers rather than superimposed in the corner of the screen.

matrignano

4,675 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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It was so stressful that it impacted her pregnancy, poor thing!

Vickers_VC10

6,759 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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But she is ok with masks?

vulture1

13,572 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Must society run at the slowest persons speed all the time...

Zoon

Original Poster:

7,222 posts

145 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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matrignano said:
It was so stressful that it impacted her pregnancy, poor thing!
That's the bit that made me laugh, she would have known any required information within five minutes with no interpreter.
I'm all for folks having a moan but fabricating stress is pretty low.

BadBull

1,924 posts

96 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Try walking in her shoes for a day.

You lot have no idea what you're talking about.

No idea of the isolation deafness causes. The way it affects all aspects of your life. No idea of of the wider repercussions such as depression, suicide etc.

As it happens, I know Amanda Casson Webb mentioned in the article and I've seen first hand the work her company does. It is outstanding. It changes peoples lives.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.


eldar

24,902 posts

220 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Zoon said:
That's the bit that made me laugh, she would have known any required information within five minutes with no interpreter.
I'm all for folks having a moan but fabricating stress is pretty low.
Indeed. Subtitles not enough, or are many deaf people illiterate?

IroningMan

10,598 posts

270 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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vulture1 said:
Must society run at the slowest persons speed all the time...
In terms of its progress on issues of inclusivity I certainly hope society is not run at the speed of the slowest people on this thread.

eldar

24,902 posts

220 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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IroningMan said:
In terms of its progress on issues of inclusivity I certainly hope society is not run at the speed of the slowest people on this thread.
There is a difference between catering properly for the disabled and pandering to extremist campaigners.

bitchstewie

64,412 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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BadBull said:
Try walking in her shoes for a day.

You lot have no idea what you're talking about.

No idea of the isolation deafness causes. The way it affects all aspects of your life. No idea of of the wider repercussions such as depression, suicide etc.

As it happens, I know Amanda Casson Webb mentioned in the article and I've seen first hand the work her company does. It is outstanding. It changes peoples lives.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.
Thanks for this I don't know anyone deaf but my initial reaction was something along those lines.

I must admit it did seem a little odd if they're broadcasting live with BSL interpreters on the BBC News Channel at the same time as the Downing Street briefings.

Genuine question does having someone "in the room" make a big difference or is it literally the view that not doing so is discriminatory?

JagLover

46,162 posts

259 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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BadBull said:
Try walking in her shoes for a day.

You lot have no idea what you're talking about.

No idea of the isolation deafness causes. The way it affects all aspects of your life. No idea of of the wider repercussions such as depression, suicide etc.

As it happens, I know Amanda Casson Webb mentioned in the article and I've seen first hand the work her company does. It is outstanding. It changes peoples lives.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.
and the difference between providing an "in person" sign language person and any other option is crucial why?

All the journalists were not physically present after all due to lockdown restrictions.

Sporky

10,564 posts

88 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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eldar said:
There is a difference between catering properly for the disabled and pandering to extremist campaigners.
How is this "extremist"? Is there a threat of bombings?

Electro1980

8,931 posts

163 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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eldar said:
Zoon said:
That's the bit that made me laugh, she would have known any required information within five minutes with no interpreter.
I'm all for folks having a moan but fabricating stress is pretty low.
Indeed. Subtitles not enough, or are many deaf people illiterate?
Deaf people have lower literacy levels, and also there is a legal requirement on the government.

Unbusy

934 posts

121 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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BadBull said:
Try walking in her shoes for a day.

You lot have no idea what you're talking about.

No idea of the isolation deafness causes. The way it affects all aspects of your life. No idea of of the wider repercussions such as depression, suicide etc.

As it happens, I know Amanda Casson Webb mentioned in the article and I've seen first hand the work her company does. It is outstanding. It changes peoples lives.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.
Must be a bh trying to lip read with so many wearing masks. Who can they complain to?

If we all stop talking about things we know nufin about then this place is finished!

BadBull

1,924 posts

96 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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BSL is the first language of many deaf people, not English.

Think about that for a moment.

It's a language! Not a stop gap or means to an end.

Without it they can't communicate with the outside world properly.

Subtitles are always abridged and are rarely accurate and always out of synch in live programmes.

Deafness is an invisible disability. You look normal, you're not physically impaired. But because you look alright, people think you are alright. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Look the words already used on this thread about a woman who just wants to be included in life and get important up to date health information at the same time as the hearing community.

Slow, illiterate, extremist.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.


BadBull

1,924 posts

96 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Unbusy said:
Must be a bh trying to lip read with so many wearing masks. Who can they complain to?

If we all stop talking about things we know nufin about then this place is finished!
It's been a massive problem.

Amanda's company RAD, commissioned at their own expense, clear masks to give to their members a better chance of coping.

Vickers_VC10

6,759 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Why no legal challenge over the wearing of masks?

lufbramatt

5,555 posts

158 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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eldar said:
Indeed. Subtitles not enough, or are many deaf people illiterate?
Deaf people often find reading difficult and read at a much lower reading age. Kids learn to read by linking spoken sounds with written characters. Deaf people don't have experience of the sounds to link, so it's much more difficult to learn to read. Sign language also follows a different sentence structure and grammar to written English so it's like learning a new language as well

There are often sign interpreters at concerts and other events, don't see why it would have been so hard to provide one here. Wales and Scotland apparently managed it.

robuk

2,512 posts

214 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Wales and Scotland can do it, why is it so hard for England?