Britney Spears - conservatorship
Britney Spears - conservatorship
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Esceptico

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8,897 posts

133 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Reading about Britney Spear’s predicament makes me wonder how the hell that happens in a country supposedly famed for its “freedom”. Sounds like she is no better off than a slave and worse than being in prison as she doesn’t have a sentence so doesn’t know if she will ever be free. Surely in such cases such a conservatorship should be subject to a time limit with constant review and need to renew it so that they have to keep proving that she needs to be in a conservatorship.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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She had a mental breakdown, not really any different just doesn't usually happen to celebs. Obviously now she doesn't still need it, and her dad get 200k a year plus expenses looking after her, so clearly has a vested interest. I read she is still making 20 odd million a year

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th June 05:42

johnboy1975

8,500 posts

132 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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The Spruce Goose said:
She had a mental breakdown, not really any different just doesn't usually happen to celebs. Obviously now she doesn't still need it, and her dad get 20k a year plus expenses looking after her, so clearly has a vested interest. I read she is still making 20 odd million a year
Not clued up on this. Is the money being "held in trust" so she doesn't blow it? Can the conservatorship order her to tour worldwide and record 3 albums? (And is someone in the trust blowing the money, or is it all above board?)No bad thing, but if she's of sound mind, why didnt she simply say "I'm better now, cancel this thing". (Which is presumably what she's doing now?)

Does the court have jurisdiction to decide whether she actually is of sound mind? And does it really matter providing shes reasonably compis mental? Are millionaires not allowed to be a little bit eccentric anymore?

Tl;dr Its her money. Let her spend it / blow it as she sees fit

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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she can earn what she wants but her income, house etc is managed by her dad and a few others.

i think at the time 10 years ago it was the right thing, now it just feels like her father is leeching off her.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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From what I have read she is seeking removal of her father from the gravy train permanently and replacing him with someone else. She is also seeking to end the conservatorship, seems to be trying to change it and kill it at the same time?

Esceptico

Original Poster:

8,897 posts

133 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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johnboy1975 said:
The Spruce Goose said:
She had a mental breakdown, not really any different just doesn't usually happen to celebs. Obviously now she doesn't still need it, and her dad get 20k a year plus expenses looking after her, so clearly has a vested interest. I read she is still making 20 odd million a year
Not clued up on this. Is the money being "held in trust" so she doesn't blow it? Can the conservatorship order her to tour worldwide and record 3 albums? (And is someone in the trust blowing the money, or is it all above board?)No bad thing, but if she's of sound mind, why didnt she simply say "I'm better now, cancel this thing". (Which is presumably what she's doing now?)

Does the court have jurisdiction to decide whether she actually is of sound mind? And does it really matter providing shes reasonably compis mental? Are millionaires not allowed to be a little bit eccentric anymore?

Tl;dr Its her money. Let her spend it / blow it as she sees fit
I heard that she has to pay $4 million to per year her father and the other conservatorship team. On top of that her life is completely controlled. She can’t speak to the media. She isn’t allowed take out her IUD and have another child. She is forced to take medication. According to the report she has tried to have it removed but she has been tested by medics that are selected and paid by the conservatorship - that seems unfair as they are not likely to be impartial.

bazza white

3,728 posts

152 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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There is a documentary on Netflix about these guardianships. (Dirty money). The majority are done in good faith in guessing but a few are pretty shocking. Worth watching if you get half hour.

Britney's is pretty bad. Not even being allowed to marry her long term partner and start a family is really bad. So much suppression in life is enough to give you mental. Health problems.

Biggus thingus

1,358 posts

68 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Sounds abit like our LPA which you'd get when your parents go into a care home, get dementia etc

Surely all she needs to do is prove that she's of sound mind and capable of making decisions for it to be lifted?

You'd think if anyone's got the wonga to pay for expensive psychologists and doctors it would be her, if she can access her cash

oddman

3,887 posts

276 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Is she paying both sides' legal costs?

The powers her father has look more like those of a medieval wardship than a modern capacity/best interests set up.

oddman

3,887 posts

276 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Biggus thingus said:
Sounds abit like our LPA which you'd get when your parents go into a care home, get dementia etc

Surely all she needs to do is prove that she's of sound mind and capable of making decisions for it to be lifted?

You'd think if anyone's got the wonga to pay for expensive psychologists and doctors it would be her, if she can access her cash
LPA has to be granted by the donee and even if LPA to health was given couldn't be used unless teh subject lacked capacity and in any case the attorney would never have comprehensive control of relationships/fertility etc.

Our equivalent power is Court Appointed Deputy. Has similar power to LPA however, the Court of Protection tends to limit the scope of powers of deputies to that which is necessary. Power can only be exercised in the subject's best interests

Difficult to see how this situation could persist in English system as even if she remained incapacitous. The Court would be unlikely to grant powers to someone she doesn't want to have them. The only circumstances I could see is if father was demonstrably honest/transparent and that she remained deluded about him.

A similar anomaly in regard to Nearest Relative powers was corrected by amendment to the Mental Health Act.

hyphen

26,262 posts

114 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Britney is clearly mad as a box of frogs. But that shouldn't entitle her father to such control at her age.

All very strange.

57 Chevy

5,464 posts

259 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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It's a fine balance, we're only hearing one side of the story right now. Replace Brittany with Amy Winehouse where people said why didn't someone do something to sort her out. Of course the right solution is probably somewhere in the middle.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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I’ll watch that Netflix documentary.

Just thinking if she has extreme bi polar or something else have big $$ she could go crazy on drugs booze etc and the outcome a short life.

It does sound a terrible situation but you must believe or hope a father would only be looking at their child’s best interest (then again…… )

Short Grain

3,432 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Just seen this story on the news. We're only getting one side but daddy does seem overly keen on keeping control. Is there any money? Has he, and others , had their hands in the cookie jar? Sure it will all come out soon as Britney seems well up for a fight in court!! Good luck to her, hope she ends up OK!

vonuber

17,868 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Seems pretty clear that the Dad is just sponging off her, and there is no incentive for any one involved to end it as they all get their money.

Land of the free indeed.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Short Grain said:
Just seen this story on the news. We're only getting one side but daddy does seem overly keen on keeping control. Is there any money? Has he, and others , had their hands in the cookie jar? Sure it will all come out soon as Britney seems well up for a fight in court!! Good luck to her, hope she ends up OK!
he gets 200k a year plus a percentage of certain earnings, plus expenses. So obviously easy money for not much, i do wonder if he wanted her dead as he would get a big payout.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th June 09:29

liner33

10,861 posts

226 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Sounds similar to what happened to Brian Wilson

The Mad Monk

11,139 posts

141 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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liner33 said:
Sounds similar to what happened to Brian Wilson
Who is Brian Wilson?

hyphen

26,262 posts

114 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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The Spruce Goose said:
Short Grain said:
Just seen this story on the news. We're only getting one side but daddy does seem overly keen on keeping control. Is there any money? Has he, and others , had their hands in the cookie jar? Sure it will all come out soon as Britney seems well up for a fight in court!! Good luck to her, hope she ends up OK!
he gets 200k a year plus a percentage of certain earnings, plus expenses. So obviously easy money for not much, i do wonder if he wanted her dead as he would get a big payout.

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Thursday 24th June 09:29
That's the big one.

If he was doing it for free and the money was being invested and grown then fair enough.

But the money he is making is outrageous. And shows how terrible US laws can be.

Stick Legs

8,439 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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The Mad Monk said:
liner33 said:
Sounds similar to what happened to Brian Wilson
Who is Brian Wilson?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wilson

Absolute genius musically who's struggles with being a person are well known.

Unless it was a subtle joke and I am due a parrot.