Olly Stephens murder trial (Reading teenager)
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Cannot find the original thread, I assume it was binned.
The trial for the murder of the 13 year old boy, Olly Stephens in Caversham (Reading) has started today. Some pretty damning evidence already:
https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/19403716.o...
The trial for the murder of the 13 year old boy, Olly Stephens in Caversham (Reading) has started today. Some pretty damning evidence already:
https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/19403716.o...
Getragdogleg said:
A total s
tshow, a waste of not only the life of the Boy killed but of the lives of the accused.
Proper parenting, proper discipline and proper education needed.
The parents should be held responsible for their own children if under 16 or at least named even if the child is too young to be.tshow, a waste of not only the life of the Boy killed but of the lives of the accused.Proper parenting, proper discipline and proper education needed.
Looks like the female was the ring leader, hopefully she will get sent down as well.
article said:
12:59pm
Voice notes from one defendant to another indicates they planned to use an e-scooter in the incident.
One defendant was recorded telling the other to 'bring a knife' to the 'attack'.
Wonder if they were planning on a silent drive by stabbing using the E-Scooter?Voice notes from one defendant to another indicates they planned to use an e-scooter in the incident.
One defendant was recorded telling the other to 'bring a knife' to the 'attack'.
Gary29 said:
A general comment I know, but how do the parents of victims like this manage to sit through court hearings and listen to all the messages etc, I can't even imagine to understand the anger and emotion you'd be feeling.
They don’t have to sit through any of it, it’s entirely their choice. Some family members want/need to know what’s happening, some don’t and there’s is no “right” answer, it’s an entirely personal decision.The family will be supported by a specialist homicide police family liaison officer. That’s not a role I’ve ever wanted to do, because it is emotionally utterly draining. Credit to my colleagues who can do it, but it’s not for me. It’s a voluntary role and it is rewarding, being able to support people, but it’s also bloody hard work
Yep, given that the killers of James Bulger got a minimum term of 8yrs then I cannot see it going beyond that, unfortunately.
Utterly tragic for all involved. I know someone who works with kids in this immediate peer group, some of whom are friends of the victim and perpetrators. Knives are something that many of them are into, to prove how tough they are.
As a society we have to somehow break that association, and the only way I can see us doing that is via a very strong sentence that sends out the message that they will lose their liberty for a very long time.
These aren't kids from the wrong side of the tracks (not that that should lessen the importance), these are middle-class children playing at being gangsters, with horrific consequences. Our son will be in the same school as Olly in a few years - it's a great school, my neighbour's kid got four A* A levels and did medicine at Oxford from going there - but I'm already worried about our lad falling in with the wrong crowd.
Utterly tragic for all involved. I know someone who works with kids in this immediate peer group, some of whom are friends of the victim and perpetrators. Knives are something that many of them are into, to prove how tough they are.
As a society we have to somehow break that association, and the only way I can see us doing that is via a very strong sentence that sends out the message that they will lose their liberty for a very long time.
These aren't kids from the wrong side of the tracks (not that that should lessen the importance), these are middle-class children playing at being gangsters, with horrific consequences. Our son will be in the same school as Olly in a few years - it's a great school, my neighbour's kid got four A* A levels and did medicine at Oxford from going there - but I'm already worried about our lad falling in with the wrong crowd.
PurpleTurtle said:
Yep, given that the killers of James Bulger got a minimum term of 8yrs then I cannot see it going beyond that, unfortunately.
Utterly tragic for all involved. I know someone who works with kids in this immediate peer group, some of whom are friends of the victim and perpetrators. Knives are something that many of them are into, to prove how tough they are.
As a society we have to somehow break that association, and the only way I can see us doing that is via a very strong sentence that sends out the message that they will lose their liberty for a very long time.
These aren't kids from the wrong side of the tracks (not that that should lessen the importance), these are middle-class children playing at being gangsters, with horrific consequences. Our son will be in the same school as Olly in a few years - it's a great school, my neighbour's kid got four A* A levels and did medicine at Oxford from going there - but I'm already worried about our lad falling in with the wrong crowd.
The root cause is general drug use in society which has lead to a gang culture amongst rival children (looking at you working class/middle class cocaine users) - legalise and regulate the sale of drugs and the majority of the issues would disappear. though I suspect the real issue is a lack of opportunity and poverty as well so those need to be addressed at the same time. Utterly tragic for all involved. I know someone who works with kids in this immediate peer group, some of whom are friends of the victim and perpetrators. Knives are something that many of them are into, to prove how tough they are.
As a society we have to somehow break that association, and the only way I can see us doing that is via a very strong sentence that sends out the message that they will lose their liberty for a very long time.
These aren't kids from the wrong side of the tracks (not that that should lessen the importance), these are middle-class children playing at being gangsters, with horrific consequences. Our son will be in the same school as Olly in a few years - it's a great school, my neighbour's kid got four A* A levels and did medicine at Oxford from going there - but I'm already worried about our lad falling in with the wrong crowd.
Longer sentences don't work as a general deterrent plus it's very expensive to house someone in a prison and I don't see any clamour for taxes to pay for that.
Puggit said:
The sentences all seem on the soft side, but once again a female gets off very lightly.Given their ages and the sentencing powers available they are decent sentences for the two boys. I thought they would get much lower minimum terms.
The girl has got away with a slap on the wrist.
Note that the younger boy who did the stabbing (and from my local knowledge, is a total wrong ‘un, already beyond rehabilitation) was too cowardly to come to Court to face the music in person, the cowardly little scumbag.
The girl has got away with a slap on the wrist.
Note that the younger boy who did the stabbing (and from my local knowledge, is a total wrong ‘un, already beyond rehabilitation) was too cowardly to come to Court to face the music in person, the cowardly little scumbag.
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