12,10 or 8 in hand - Atmospheric times
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I might be triple the age of some current F1 drivers but I am as passionate as ever about F1. I really believe this year will continue to evolve into one of greatest ever F1 seasons.
However I do like to look over my shoulder from time to time. So thumbing through my old F1 programmes today. Estoril , Portugal, 1991, a couple of years after the turbos were banned. A double page spread lists the EIGHT engines available to the constructors….
However I do like to look over my shoulder from time to time. So thumbing through my old F1 programmes today. Estoril , Portugal, 1991, a couple of years after the turbos were banned. A double page spread lists the EIGHT engines available to the constructors….
MontyPythonX said:
Excellent!!
For someone who wasn't watching back then, and can't speak Portuguese, what was the difference between the Honda V12 and V10 (Apart from the number of cylinders)?
V10 was the customer engine, and was a couple of years old by then. The V12 was the latest and greatest only for the McLaren-Hondas.For someone who wasn't watching back then, and can't speak Portuguese, what was the difference between the Honda V12 and V10 (Apart from the number of cylinders)?
kimducati said:
thegreenhell said:
V10 was the customer engine, and was a couple of years old by then. The V12 was the latest and greatest only for the McLaren-Hondas.
In my head, it was t'other way around - the V10 superseded to V12. May be wrong though!!Kim
The days of having a choice of power unit spec are very likely to return in the not too distant future - circa ten years.
The teams will be able to choose between hybrid and full EV at some point
I'm aware most on this thread probably aren't particularly excited about that future but it is what it is...
The teams will be able to choose between hybrid and full EV at some point
I'm aware most on this thread probably aren't particularly excited about that future but it is what it is...
Teddy Lop said:
When they later dropped the displacement to 3L the V10 became the weapon of choice, Ferrari hung on to the 12s for a bit.
So I was right, even though I was wrong!! There's a symmetry there if you look for it.
Kim
ps Sorry for the sidetracking. Great engines though - pretty much the last generation before the screamers built from unobtanium by magicians
I remember the days of the screaming Ferrari V12s, that's in GTs as well as F1 cars. I liked it, but not for too long.
You could get closer to the circuit in those days, and after 10 minutes, it gave you headache. Mind you, not as bad as the turbo era. I had a chunk of wax dislodged in an ear and had to get it removed by my doctor who, knowing I was a police officer, asked me if I'd been punched in the head. In a way, I suppose I had, at South Bank, up against the fence, in 85, seeing, if memory serves, Senna, in the stunning-liveried black and silver Lotus, taking out Rosberg as well as Piquet's beautifully prepared Brabham BT54. Later, Mansell, for whom it was his first race win, overtook Senna with the help of Rosberg, who'd had to go back to the pits for a few days, and came out just in front of the Lotus, then blocked him. There was a fire in the pits, all we could see was the smoke. There was a lot of it.
Neither me nor my friend could hear one another in the pub afterwards. I had ringing in my ears for two days. Much, much too noisy.
The 66 Cooper Maserati sounded dreadful, as if it was only firing on 10, and not always the same ones. Given the results, it probably was. John Cooper told my dad to stand back a bit when they were talking, as if the engine fell off, it might cause an earthquake that could take out the paddock. 'Bit heavy is it,' my dad asked. Looked good though.
You could get closer to the circuit in those days, and after 10 minutes, it gave you headache. Mind you, not as bad as the turbo era. I had a chunk of wax dislodged in an ear and had to get it removed by my doctor who, knowing I was a police officer, asked me if I'd been punched in the head. In a way, I suppose I had, at South Bank, up against the fence, in 85, seeing, if memory serves, Senna, in the stunning-liveried black and silver Lotus, taking out Rosberg as well as Piquet's beautifully prepared Brabham BT54. Later, Mansell, for whom it was his first race win, overtook Senna with the help of Rosberg, who'd had to go back to the pits for a few days, and came out just in front of the Lotus, then blocked him. There was a fire in the pits, all we could see was the smoke. There was a lot of it.
Neither me nor my friend could hear one another in the pub afterwards. I had ringing in my ears for two days. Much, much too noisy.
The 66 Cooper Maserati sounded dreadful, as if it was only firing on 10, and not always the same ones. Given the results, it probably was. John Cooper told my dad to stand back a bit when they were talking, as if the engine fell off, it might cause an earthquake that could take out the paddock. 'Bit heavy is it,' my dad asked. Looked good though.
Flooble said:
The days when there were more than 10 teams too.
One British GP we'd got to Club and got friendly with others who'd got there at 6. Someone organised a quiz (which I didn't do too well at) and one question was to list all the teams in the 1985 season. Me and my mate failed to win, and we'd both been at the 85 European and British. Bad show.Derek Smith said:
I remember the days of the screaming Ferrari V12s, that's in GTs as well as F1 cars. I liked it, but not for too long.
You could get closer to the circuit in those days, and after 10 minutes, it gave you headache. Mind you, not as bad as the turbo era. I had a chunk of wax dislodged in an ear and had to get it removed by my doctor who, knowing I was a police officer, asked me if I'd been punched in the head. In a way, I suppose I had, at South Bank, up against the fence, in 85, seeing, if memory serves, Senna, in the stunning-liveried black and silver Lotus, taking out Rosberg as well as Piquet's beautifully prepared Brabham BT54. Later, Mansell, for whom it was his first race win, overtook Senna with the help of Rosberg, who'd had to go back to the pits for a few days, and came out just in front of the Lotus, then blocked him. There was a fire in the pits, all we could see was the smoke. There was a lot of it.
Neither me nor my friend could hear one another in the pub afterwards. I had ringing in my ears for two days. Much, much too noisy.
The 66 Cooper Maserati sounded dreadful, as if it was only firing on 10, and not always the same ones. Given the results, it probably was. John Cooper told my dad to stand back a bit when they were talking, as if the engine fell off, it might cause an earthquake that could take out the paddock. 'Bit heavy is it,' my dad asked. Looked good though.
I was there as well and although considerably noisier than the current Turbo engines they weren't painful. By the early 90s through to the V10 era those cars were incredibly loud.You could get closer to the circuit in those days, and after 10 minutes, it gave you headache. Mind you, not as bad as the turbo era. I had a chunk of wax dislodged in an ear and had to get it removed by my doctor who, knowing I was a police officer, asked me if I'd been punched in the head. In a way, I suppose I had, at South Bank, up against the fence, in 85, seeing, if memory serves, Senna, in the stunning-liveried black and silver Lotus, taking out Rosberg as well as Piquet's beautifully prepared Brabham BT54. Later, Mansell, for whom it was his first race win, overtook Senna with the help of Rosberg, who'd had to go back to the pits for a few days, and came out just in front of the Lotus, then blocked him. There was a fire in the pits, all we could see was the smoke. There was a lot of it.
Neither me nor my friend could hear one another in the pub afterwards. I had ringing in my ears for two days. Much, much too noisy.
The 66 Cooper Maserati sounded dreadful, as if it was only firing on 10, and not always the same ones. Given the results, it probably was. John Cooper told my dad to stand back a bit when they were talking, as if the engine fell off, it might cause an earthquake that could take out the paddock. 'Bit heavy is it,' my dad asked. Looked good though.
thegreenhell said:
Honda entered the 3.5L atmo-era with a V10 in '89 and '90, before developing the V12 exclusively for McLaren for '91. It was the last car to win the championship with a V12, and also the last to do so with a manual gearbox.
Actually it was the ONLY car to win the championship with a V12!Thundersports said:
Derek Smith said:
I remember the days of the screaming Ferrari V12s, that's in GTs as well as F1 cars. I liked it, but not for too long.
You could get closer to the circuit in those days, and after 10 minutes, it gave you headache. Mind you, not as bad as the turbo era. I had a chunk of wax dislodged in an ear and had to get it removed by my doctor who, knowing I was a police officer, asked me if I'd been punched in the head. In a way, I suppose I had, at South Bank, up against the fence, in 85, seeing, if memory serves, Senna, in the stunning-liveried black and silver Lotus, taking out Rosberg as well as Piquet's beautifully prepared Brabham BT54. Later, Mansell, for whom it was his first race win, overtook Senna with the help of Rosberg, who'd had to go back to the pits for a few days, and came out just in front of the Lotus, then blocked him. There was a fire in the pits, all we could see was the smoke. There was a lot of it.
Neither me nor my friend could hear one another in the pub afterwards. I had ringing in my ears for two days. Much, much too noisy.
The 66 Cooper Maserati sounded dreadful, as if it was only firing on 10, and not always the same ones. Given the results, it probably was. John Cooper told my dad to stand back a bit when they were talking, as if the engine fell off, it might cause an earthquake that could take out the paddock. 'Bit heavy is it,' my dad asked. Looked good though.
I was there as well and although considerably noisier than the current Turbo engines they weren't painful. By the early 90s through to the V10 era those cars were incredibly loud.You could get closer to the circuit in those days, and after 10 minutes, it gave you headache. Mind you, not as bad as the turbo era. I had a chunk of wax dislodged in an ear and had to get it removed by my doctor who, knowing I was a police officer, asked me if I'd been punched in the head. In a way, I suppose I had, at South Bank, up against the fence, in 85, seeing, if memory serves, Senna, in the stunning-liveried black and silver Lotus, taking out Rosberg as well as Piquet's beautifully prepared Brabham BT54. Later, Mansell, for whom it was his first race win, overtook Senna with the help of Rosberg, who'd had to go back to the pits for a few days, and came out just in front of the Lotus, then blocked him. There was a fire in the pits, all we could see was the smoke. There was a lot of it.
Neither me nor my friend could hear one another in the pub afterwards. I had ringing in my ears for two days. Much, much too noisy.
The 66 Cooper Maserati sounded dreadful, as if it was only firing on 10, and not always the same ones. Given the results, it probably was. John Cooper told my dad to stand back a bit when they were talking, as if the engine fell off, it might cause an earthquake that could take out the paddock. 'Bit heavy is it,' my dad asked. Looked good though.
Exige77 said:
Yup, those V10s really hurt your ears but what a glorious sound.
Perhaps a blessing that Mazda was never given the opportunity to run a rotary in F1.As an aside the latest ACO Hypercar regs do quietly give an equivalence provision for rotary-engined cars.
Time to blow the dust and wax out of those heavy duty ear plugs…
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