737-200 Cargo crash near Hawaii

[BrettMRC]

BBC link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5769783...

Says engine failure, looking at the details it was about 10-15mins aafter take off?

[essayer]

landing on the sea at night

[bitchstewie]

Water landing and they rescued the crew? but that doesn't happen often does it?

[Tony1963]

Was the cargo a full load of lifeboats or something?

This incident might well be used in aviation training for a few years I’d say.

[peter tdci]

bhstewie said:

Water landing and they rescued the crew? but that doesn't happen often does it?

Cactus 1549 - Sully? But a 737-200 - you don't see many of those these days - and I suppose it's one fewer now!

[Simpo Two]

peter tdci said:

bhstewie said:

Water landing and they rescued the crew? but that doesn't happen often does it?

Cactus 1549 - Sully?

And that was in daylight...!

[peter tdci]

Simpo Two said:

And that was in daylight...!

If one thing was to be learnt from 1549 it could well have been to fire up the APU as soon as possible in a total engine failure. At least that could have given the poor crew some power for the lights.

[Mabbs9]

peter tdci said:

If one thing was to be learnt from 1549 it could well have been to fire up the APU as soon as possible in a total engine failure. At least that could have given the poor crew some power for the lights.

It's been a while since my 737 life but that was high on the list. But it takes something like 90 secs at sea level. Poss a bit longer at altitude.

[anonymous-user]

peter tdci said:

Simpo Two said:

And that was in daylight...!

If one thing was to be learnt from 1549 it could well have been to fire up the APU as soon as possible in a total engine failure. At least that could have given the poor crew some power for the lights.

Happens automatically (apu start) in many of the more modern aircraft after a dual engine failure eg B787

It’s definitely high up on the QRH on the B737 to start the APU after a loss of thrust on both engines but the priority is to get the engine start switches into flight and then start levers to cutoff then idle then to fly set speeds to try and restart at least one engine.

I’m not sure the B737 would just go completely dark in flight with both engine failed? There’s still standby power via the battery, I think.

Looking at a B737NG QRH (quick reference handbook) all the checklists for when things go wrong.

You can see the ‘memory items’ above the dashed line. These are critical steps that must be done (by memory) before referring to the checklist by itself.

After that you get the QRH out and go through it together.

The first page of the B737 loss of thrust on both engines looks like this.



So you can see where starting the APU comes in.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 2nd July 18:55

[Muddle238]

Ditching any aircraft on the sea, let alone a 737, at night, and to survive takes some doing.

Two things instantly stand out to me; firstly potentially a fuel contamination issue given it’s being reported [i]both[/] engines had issues, secondly potentially another Kegworth type incident whereby the crew inadvertently shut down the wrong engine.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

[corinthian]

Tom Hanks managed in his Fed-ex plane, then after surviving that did the same in the Hudson.

Come to think of it, if I ever see him getting on my flight, I’m getting off.

[Simpo Two]

corinthian said:

Tom Hanks managed in his Fed-ex plane, then after surviving that did the same in the Hudson.

Come to think of it, if I ever see him getting on my flight, I’m getting off.

Same for Steven Seagal. Nothing but trouble!

[craig_m67]

Was just listening to the ATC recording, it’s quite emotional to think they have the sea racing up at them in the dark and yet how cool, calm and collected was the pilot/crew… “please advise the coastguard, thank you”. Amazing effort.

[Simpo Two]

Heard on R4 this morning that one of the crew was found 'hanging on to the tailplane'...

Very lucky they were so close to land.

[rs4al]

I don’t know about the 737 scud 200 but the NG has 30 minutes of standby battery power giving the LH seat instruments etc.

Full ATC transcript here https://archive.liveatc.net/phnl/PHNL1-Twr-Jul-02-...

Sounds like they lost one engine, although didn’t declare a mayday explicitly, were turning back to the airport when the other engine started overheating (?) according to their transmissions and couldn’t maintain altitude.

Double bird strike? Taking the first engine out followed by the second engine a bit later on, although it was at night when the birds are sensible and don’t fly!

Edited by rs4al on Saturday 3rd July 10:43

[Sheepshanks]

peter tdci said:

If one thing was to be learnt from 1549 it could well have been to fire up the APU as soon as possible in a total engine failure. At least that could have given the poor crew some power for the lights.

And press the ditch button. Apparently they never got to the ditch checklist - how many of those things are there?

[rs4al]

Sheepshanks said:

And press the ditch button. Apparently they never got to the ditch checklist - how many of those things are there?

Ditch button…it’s not a French piece of plastic crap (as a 737 training captain once described an Airbus)

[Sheepshanks]

rs4al said:

Sheepshanks said:

And press the ditch button. Apparently they never got to the ditch checklist - how many of those things are there?

Ditch button…it’s not a French piece of plastic crap (as a 737 training captain once described an Airbus)

I meant on 1549. I guess you can't press it if it isn't there. But it didn't get used anyway.

[andyA700]

This is another amazing incident where nobody was killed. Years ago, we went to Oahu and managed to go on a submarine trip. On that trip where the submarine goes down to around 30 metres, we saw two aircraft wrecks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_6

[red_slr]

Its a very active military area and the aircraft went down about 3 miles from the main coast guard station (barber point).
If there was any kind of military activity that night then they would have had SAR already on standby so they were just super lucky they had a soft (ish!) landing and were so close to help.

I believe both pilots were recovered and into hospital within 2 hours of the accident.