Quantity not Quality
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For a number of years certain clients have been pumping agents with a huge list of technical skills for a single role. This morning was no exception. One role with a skills list as long as your arm paying less than average rates.
These people have more chance of finding rocking horse poo than finding someone capable of doing all these things and not causing a total f
k up!
To bring in some balance once in a while you get a client that either knows the above is just foolishness or has too much riding on hiring the wrong type of person. For example big regulatory fines etc.
These people have more chance of finding rocking horse poo than finding someone capable of doing all these things and not causing a total f
k up!To bring in some balance once in a while you get a client that either knows the above is just foolishness or has too much riding on hiring the wrong type of person. For example big regulatory fines etc.
Greenmantle said:
For a number of years certain clients have been pumping agents with a huge list of technical skills for a single role. This morning was no exception. One role with a skills list as long as your arm paying less than average rates.
These people have more chance of finding rocking horse poo than finding someone capable of doing all these things and not causing a total fk up!
To bring in some balance once in a while you get a client that either knows the above is just foolishness or has too much riding on hiring the wrong type of person. For example big regulatory fines etc.
It's probably not what it seems and it's often agencies who add all these skills to the list, the worst one is when they're saying "must have a degree in any subject", for an engineering role there is just no way the employer requested that....... I mean what kind of f**twit prefers a totally inexperienced engineer with a degree in unicorns, over someone with 20+ years experience?These people have more chance of finding rocking horse poo than finding someone capable of doing all these things and not causing a total f
k up!To bring in some balance once in a while you get a client that either knows the above is just foolishness or has too much riding on hiring the wrong type of person. For example big regulatory fines etc.
Might not even be a genuine or real position, agencies pull all sorts of nasty tricks for all sorts of dodgy reasons, you just never know what the motivation was behind it, as a lot of it makes absolutely no sense on the surface. All I can say is that somehow it helps them meet targets, or gain new leads.
Edited by lyonspride on Wednesday 7th July 20:59
My wife was talking with the Global HR Boss for a high street bank. They said that if you do half on the list you get an interview and then it comes down to bullst.
Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
t.Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
Starfighter said:
My wife was talking with the Global HR Boss for a high street bank. They said that if you do half on the list you get an interview and then it comes down to bullst.
Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
There can’t be many left with an in depth knowledge of Austin hatchbacks, to be fair!t.Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
Stuart70 said:
Starfighter said:
My wife was talking with the Global HR Boss for a high street bank. They said that if you do half on the list you get an interview and then it comes down to bullst.
Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
There can’t be many left with an in depth knowledge of Austin hatchbacks, to be fair!t.Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
In a previous life I did a lot of work helping companies attract top technical talent.
The first thing we often advised them to do was scrap all of the nice to have laundry lists on the job descriptions.
The effect was always remarkable with the number and quality of applicants going up compared to casting the net wide and getting generalists.
The first thing we often advised them to do was scrap all of the nice to have laundry lists on the job descriptions.
The effect was always remarkable with the number and quality of applicants going up compared to casting the net wide and getting generalists.
Starfighter said:
My wife was talking with the Global HR Boss for a high street bank. They said that if you do half on the list you get an interview and then it comes down to bullst.
Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
Is this a form of elitism/tribalism/protectionism at work, as in "I went to uni and got a degree so I think these people are more deserving/look down or resent those who didn't/want those people around me)t.Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
Just speculation on the psychology of people don't shoot me. There's many graduates out there that aren't convinced it was worth it, (and the covid/lockdown thing has placed emphasis on the value of core skills over services in many minds)
Sorry this is probably quite O/T for the jobs forum.
tgr said:
It's an enormous bullshlt exercise, with mediocre HR types at its core and no-one with the balls to call it out as bullshlt
Non-core activities in a company tend to build a veil of secrecy and mystery. It helps them to maintain a cross-industry/market. Where I am, we can't specify a level of skill/knowledge in any job advertisement, so no junior, senior type of thing. Just wait for the torrent of applications from people without even skills in the area at all, ones who might have stamped bits of paper near someone working in that area, very experience/senior people who want more money than what's being offered (no indication of remuneration is given in the ad...).Teddy Lop said:
Starfighter said:
My wife was talking with the Global HR Boss for a high street bank. They said that if you do half on the list you get an interview and then it comes down to bullst.
Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
Is this a form of elitism/tribalism/protectionism at work, as in "I went to uni and got a degree so I think these people are more deserving/look down or resent those who didn't/want those people around me)t.Degrees are my pet peeve. I was recruiting a for a metrologist to measure precision complex machined parts. HR insisted that it was a graduate role and none of the candidates I was given to interview had a clue. I eventually forced the issue and found a great guy with 10 years in a calibration lab.
Just speculation on the psychology of people don't shoot me. There's many graduates out there that aren't convinced it was worth it, (and the covid/lockdown thing has placed emphasis on the value of core skills over services in many minds)
Sorry this is probably quite O/T for the jobs forum.
Good graduates are fine, it's the useless one's that think they're automatically superior, I have overheard one saying (about me) "I think he's faking it, he hasn't earned that level of knowledge" the guy used to test me on theory and sometimes i'd get it wrong, but i'd test him back with real world scenarios and he'd always fail.
Where I am now the contract role came with a 3.5 page job description, which hadn’t seen the agency’s magic touch at all, it was all HR bullst.
The interview was about 20 minutes on the video meet stuff and it came down to, “you seem to have lots of good experience and you can drive Mathcad, ANSYS and SolidWorks, when can you start?”
t. The interview was about 20 minutes on the video meet stuff and it came down to, “you seem to have lots of good experience and you can drive Mathcad, ANSYS and SolidWorks, when can you start?”
Klippie said:
We have a guy at work just now who has a degree so he say's anyway...if you've worked with your hands and used tools for many years you can spot right away if someone has good hand skills...this guy has fingers like cows tits.
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