Residents' Parking more than 1 car

[Elderly]

My son has just received his first PCN for one of the family's 2 cars (both registered in his name).
he's lived there and had both cars for three years - yet this is the first PCN he's received.

Has he been contravening residents' parking regulations outside his house almost everyday for three years,
or is this some kind of new regulation?

He's contested it but they say it's going to be enforced.

Any views please?

[randlemarcus]

PCN - Parking charge or penalty charge? If its a parking charge, he needs to triple check the rules of the private car park, find out which rule he is being ticketed for, and see if its a valid one. Owned/rented may make a difference as well.

[DanL]

How are they working out who is / isn’t a resident?

[Lee540]

DanL said:

How are they working out who is / isn’t a resident?

Probably displaying a permit

[Jag_NE]

I find it hard to believe that if you have lived somewhere for years that the parking arrangements aren’t pretty obvious?

[Alucidnation]

He could always look at the relevant paperwork relating to the property and parking.

[DanL]

Lee540 said:

DanL said:

How are they working out who is / isn’t a resident?

Probably displaying a permit

Then either:
https://www.gov.uk/parking-permit

… or if it’s private parking / road then look for the signs.

[donkmeister]

Elderly said:

Has he been contravening residents' parking regulations outside his house almost everyday for three years,
or is this some kind of new regulation?

He's contested it but they say it's going to be enforced.

Nothing new - 20 years ago I got a PCN for parking outside my flat in Marylebone. Stupid mistake by me - if I'd parked one bay further along I'd have been outside the residents' parking, and being a Sunday it would have been free. Mine was the only car on the street when I arrived and when I left 30 minutes later, so I didn't actually inconvenience anyone (unless the warden writing the ticket got cramp in their writing hand). I didn't bother appealing that one as, annoying though it was, I was bang to rights.

Appealing can be pointless in some areas - Westminster CC's argument when I appealed a totally unjust BS ticket was "Well we gave you a ticket so you MUST have parked illegally"... Totally defeats the point of an appeal if they take that stance.

[Elderly]

It looks like the Controlled Parking Zone states that one permit can be held per qualifying resident.

So he will have to re- register one of the two cars in his wife's name, as they are both qualifying residents.

Extraordinary that the council (Camden) have just picked this up after three years;
the wardens round there are usually very vigilant.
Before that they were living in Westminster with the same two cars and never had a problem.

[hoegaardenruls]

Elderly said:

It looks like the Controlled Parking Zone states that one permit can be held per qualifying resident.

So he will have to re- register one of the two cars in his wife's name, as they are both qualifying residents.

Extraordinary that the council (Camden) have just picked this up after three years;
the wardens round there are usually very vigilant.
Before that they were living in Westminster with the same two cars and never had a problem.

Maybe no need to change the registered keeper if Camden are willing to accept his wife is the main user of car number two.

I had a similar issue with Wandsworth, who limit to one permit per resident - it may help of course if other paperwork, e.g. insurance policy, demonstrates with that.

Sometimes councils and common-sense don't go hand in hand though..

[psi310398]

hoegaardenruls said:

Elderly said:

It looks like the Controlled Parking Zone states that one permit can be held per qualifying resident.

So he will have to re- register one of the two cars in his wife's name, as they are both qualifying residents.

Extraordinary that the council (Camden) have just picked this up after three years;
the wardens round there are usually very vigilant.
Before that they were living in Westminster with the same two cars and never had a problem.

Maybe no need to change the registered keeper if Camden are willing to accept his wife is the main user of car number two.

I had a similar issue with Wandsworth, who limit to one permit per resident - it may help of course if other paperwork, e.g. insurance policy, demonstrates with that.

Sometimes councils and common-sense don't go hand in hand though..

I’m a Camden resident and, while my wife’s car’s V5 is actually in my name, there have been no recent issues from the council re a permit in her name.

ISTR, however, that when she originally applied she had to point out that V5 itself says it’s not proof of ownership…

[hoegaardenruls]

psi310398 said:

hoegaardenruls said:

Elderly said:

It looks like the Controlled Parking Zone states that one permit can be held per qualifying resident.

So he will have to re- register one of the two cars in his wife's name, as they are both qualifying residents.

Extraordinary that the council (Camden) have just picked this up after three years;
the wardens round there are usually very vigilant.
Before that they were living in Westminster with the same two cars and never had a problem.

Maybe no need to change the registered keeper if Camden are willing to accept his wife is the main user of car number two.

I had a similar issue with Wandsworth, who limit to one permit per resident - it may help of course if other paperwork, e.g. insurance policy, demonstrates with that.

Sometimes councils and common-sense don't go hand in hand though..

I’m a Camden resident and, while my wife’s car’s V5 is actually in my name, there have been no recent issues from the council re a permit in her name.

ISTR, however, that when she originally applied she had to point out that V5 itself says it’s not proof of ownership…

From memory, I think I had to write a letter to accompany the initial application confirming the fact that while I was the registered keeper, my wife was the primary user. This was backed up with the insurance details (policy in her name).

[Elderly]

Thanks all - I've given him all the above info and will now leave it to him to sort out.

I suppose he'll have to act quickly or he could get a PCN every day .

[psi310398]

Elderly said:

Thanks all - I've given him all the above info and will now leave it to him to sort out.

I suppose he'll have to act quickly or he could get a PCN every day .

In the short term, he can buy all day visitor e-permits by logging into his Camden account and ordering his allocation. His wife can do the same.

Alternatively, he can dump one of his cars in Hampstead Lane at the top of Hampstead Heath where there are no parking restrictions.

[Elderly]

psi310398 said:

In the short term, he can buy all day visitor e-permits by logging into his Camden account and ordering his allocation. His wife can do the same.

Alternatively, he can dump one of his cars in Hampstead Lane at the top of Hampstead Heath where there are no parking restrictions.

Great ideas - Thanks.

From when I used to live in London, I seem to remember that Hampstead Lane was a VERY long road;
please could you be specific as to where it's not restricted?

[psi310398]

Elderly said:

Great ideas - Thanks.

From when I used to live in London, I seem to remember that Hampstead Lane was a VERY long road;
please could you be specific as to where it's not restricted?

The entire stretch by Kenwood House on the Kenwood side and the bit from Bishop’s Avenue down to at least Sheldon Avenue on the Highgate School playing fields side.

There is also free parking in Winnington Road and Ingram Avenue as well as much of Hampstead Garden Suburb, although you can occasionally get hassle from the officious hi viz vested private security pricks who try to intimate non-residents into moving on.

[Elderly]

psi310398 said:

The entire stretch by Kenwood House on the Kenwood side and the bit from Bishop’s Avenue down to at least Sheldon Avenue on the Highgate School playing fields side.

Thanks !