Mortgage overpayments or alternative
Mortgage overpayments or alternative
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Lannister902

Original Poster:

1,571 posts

132 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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Hi,
I can't make my mind up, save up to clear my mortgage or invest in cryptocurrency.
I've put a few thousand into crpto, people that are into it are adamant I should put whatever I can afford to lose into crypto.

Any advice

kiethton

14,639 posts

209 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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Paying off the mortgage or crypto - can't get any more divergence in the old risk scale...

How old are you, what's your overall financial position?

Langleyuser

66 posts

84 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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Head off to the nearest casino , double your money , and then you can do both !

Btw, that was a joke !

Captain Raymond Holt

12,423 posts

223 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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Hmmm… What to do tonight, a nice relaxing book or have a bath in petrol…


Depends on the amount you’re playing with but maybe split between overpayments, traditional investment, to-the-moon-crypto?

smile

Crumpet

5,385 posts

209 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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While it’s not risk free I’d say put the overpayment money in a stocks and shares ISA. Mine is returning £6.5% which beats the mortgage interest rate by a fair whack. Then you can choose to pay down your mortgage or keep it ticking over in the ISA. Or increase your salary sacrifice into your pension and get 20-40% free money.

I’ve actually done all three; set my overpayments to finish the mortgage by age 55 while also putting the same amount into the ISA and setting pension contributions to 25%. There’s little point me retiring before 55 as I’ll never afford it and I don’t feel it’s worth paying the mortgage off sooner. Mortgages are cheap money.

river_rat

739 posts

232 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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I do the same as Crumpet - instead of overpaying mortgage (which I used to do), I now put it into a S&S ISA whilst interest rates are so low.

There is no 'correct' answer for this though - it depends how risk averse you are, plus a lot of other factors.

Not sure I would be putting it into Crypto though.....

LeoSayer

7,819 posts

273 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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How much can you afford to lose?

Dixy

3,642 posts

234 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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Would you take out a mortgage to invest in crypto

JapanRed

1,591 posts

140 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Like everything I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. You are already in crypto, so I’m guessing you are a risk taker. Why not split your savings 50:50 (or whatever split you feel comfortable with) and put half in crypto and half into mortgage). There’s nothing saying it needs to be one or the other.

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Same situation as me, currently on a 1.6% mortgage rate and have a Marcus savings account at 0.5%

I have had a Vanguard account for a while, so just today I have started paying into a LifeStrategy 100 fund again.

As long as it returns 1.6% I am no worse off.

red_slr

20,678 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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I assume you are already fully funding your SIPP, ISAS, NS&I and have other diversified investments such as property or REITs or gold?

If the answer to all that is yes then go for crypto, with both feet.

If the answer is no then I think you need to look at another plan.


JapanRed

1,591 posts

140 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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red_slr said:
I assume you are already fully funding your SIPP, ISAS, NS&I and have other diversified investments such as property or REITs or gold?

If the answer to all that is yes then go for crypto, with both feet.

If the answer is no then I think you need to look at another plan.
Personally I’d rather invest in crypto than gold or NS&I (and this is coming from someone who currently has premium bonds, properties and SIPPs).

Crumpet

5,385 posts

209 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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JapanRed said:
Personally I’d rather invest in crypto than gold or NS&I (and this is coming from someone who currently has premium bonds, properties and SIPPs).
Given inflation at the moment (which is way more than they claim), aren’t premium bonds pretty much the worst investment? What’s the return? Half a per cent?

red_slr

20,678 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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JapanRed said:
red_slr said:
I assume you are already fully funding your SIPP, ISAS, NS&I and have other diversified investments such as property or REITs or gold?

If the answer to all that is yes then go for crypto, with both feet.

If the answer is no then I think you need to look at another plan.
Personally I’d rather invest in crypto than gold or NS&I (and this is coming from someone who currently has premium bonds, properties and SIPPs).
NS&I is not an "investment" really. Its insurance. If the markets tank, you want cash.

red_slr

20,678 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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And just to add yes I know that inflation is beating it right now, but show me an account thats a) giving c.1% return tax free and b) might win you £1m.


NickCQ

5,392 posts

125 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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red_slr said:
And just to add yes I know that inflation is beating it right now, but show me an account thats a) giving c.1% return tax free and b) might win you £1m.
Paying down the mortgage and buying a lottery ticket achieves roughly the same (with a slightly higher interest rate)

red_slr

20,678 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Buying a lotto ticket might be more of an "investment" than BTC!

Each to their own though.



halo34

2,890 posts

228 months

Friday 16th July 2021
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I dabble with crypto and even I wouldnt put any odds on something that was needed for paying off a mortgage eventually.

ISA like Vanguard.

RichTT

3,266 posts

200 months

Friday 16th July 2021
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I'm early 40's and have the following longer term strategy to investing/mortgage etc.

Last year took out a 5 year mortgage for 1.45% roughly. This is ridiculously low it's almost free money in the short term period before its due renewal.

My pension contributions are healthy due to generous contract so I'm only putting in enough for their matching amount. The rest of my savings go on about a 90/10 split on S&S ISA with an aggressive growth strategy and the rest into crypto.

The crypto I have is split between Binance, using 3 commas trading bots to get an average 5-6% returns per month in UDST. And then as I consolidate any ETH or BTC holdings I transfer over to Nexo where it can earn a passive interest itself. Even with the basic Nexo account you earn 4% on ETH or BTC holdings with them.

I understand the risk with the crypto holdings but also, as with any investment, have to accept that it might plunge to zero. I am however holding for the long term as an asset investment view.

Overall I've managed to save about 50% of my remaining mortgage balance in either Stocks and Shares, ISA and crypto and all is earning interest far above what I'm paying on my mortgage. I'm estimating that by the time the mortgage is due for renewal I will evaluate letting it run into SVR and paying off in large chunks or just getting another 5 year deal.


NickCQ

5,392 posts

125 months

Friday 16th July 2021
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RichTT said:
The crypto I have is split between Binance... any ETH or BTC holdings I transfer over to Nexo
Is that the only way to get (ultimately) GBP out of Binance these days?