South Africa, more than riots
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Very surprised there’s no thread on the ongoing collapse of South Africa.
The Goverment is now talking about this being more than just a series of riots, it’s looking more like deliberate destabilisation of a country.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-57860998
https://youtu.be/_fEVHx-m_YA
https://youtu.be/vkU5OC2D0Hc
The Goverment is now talking about this being more than just a series of riots, it’s looking more like deliberate destabilisation of a country.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-57860998
https://youtu.be/_fEVHx-m_YA
https://youtu.be/vkU5OC2D0Hc
Most of the family who lived there have now moved back here, the rot started with 'positive affirmation' also known as blatent racism.
We watched Zimbabwe collapse, and did nothing, We'll now see the same descent in SA and do nothing.
The help they need will be denied by Africans no longer there and a comfortable generation of jezza thinkalikes who will never need to live where their hatred and bile creates hell on earth.
Way to go guys.
We watched Zimbabwe collapse, and did nothing, We'll now see the same descent in SA and do nothing.
The help they need will be denied by Africans no longer there and a comfortable generation of jezza thinkalikes who will never need to live where their hatred and bile creates hell on earth.
Way to go guys.
B235r said:
My dad spent many years living & working all over south Africa & other parts I find if very sad what is happening over there
I was born there & spent a happy childhood growing up with amazing views & lovely people
SA seems to get closer & closer to the point of no return each year
Very similar although was my grandparents.I was born there & spent a happy childhood growing up with amazing views & lovely people
SA seems to get closer & closer to the point of no return each year
Was great when I visited as a child in the early 90’s and got progressively worse, as did their economy…exchange rate got far better (for us!) though
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
Just glad that my family left South Africa when they did. Although are we seeing the seeds of similar in the U.K. where the media seem desperate to create divisions?
I agree. As we import more and more people with no connection to our history, and indeed while our history is being rewritten and weakened, social cohesion is being eroded. kiethton said:
Very similar although was my grandparents.
Was great when I visited as a child in the early 90’s and got progressively worse, as did their economy…exchange rate got far better (for us!) though
Was great when I visited as a child in the early 90’s and got progressively worse, as did their economy…exchange rate got far better (for us!) though
I last went back as a teenager in the late 90's glad I got to see it all again
stitched said:
Most of the family who lived there have now moved back here, the rot started with 'positive affirmation' also known as blatent racism.
We watched Zimbabwe collapse, and did nothing, We'll now see the same descent in SA and do nothing.
The help they need will be denied by Africans no longer there and a comfortable generation of jezza thinkalikes who will never need to live where their hatred and bile creates hell on earth.
Way to go guys.
So it’s all Jezza’s and his likes fault! We watched Zimbabwe collapse, and did nothing, We'll now see the same descent in SA and do nothing.
The help they need will be denied by Africans no longer there and a comfortable generation of jezza thinkalikes who will never need to live where their hatred and bile creates hell on earth.
Way to go guys.
Way to go guys.
Getragdogleg said:
What's the betting much of the destabilising is coming from China via social media.
i thought it was an attempted coup d'etat by Zuma and his supporters?FWIW I think Ramaphosa is trying to do the right thing. However, as the US has shown in recent years, even the cleverest voters can be conned by demagoguery and snake-oil promises.
Liokault said:
Ok, I have never been to sub Saharan Africa, so I only frame my reference through the news outlets and the South Africans I have met (all white), but are we at a point where we can say it was better, generally, during apartheid than it is now?
I discussed this with a Zimbabwean friend a while ago- he genuinely feels that it's better to be massively oppressed by fellow blacks than to be less oppressed by whites. It might be racist for him to feel this way but you have to admire his willingness to sacrifice for his beliefs.Biggy Stardust said:
Liokault said:
Ok, I have never been to sub Saharan Africa, so I only frame my reference through the news outlets and the South Africans I have met (all white), but are we at a point where we can say it was better, generally, during apartheid than it is now?
I discussed this with a Zimbabwean friend a while ago- he genuinely feels that it's better to be massively oppressed by fellow blacks than to be less oppressed by whites. It might be racist for him to feel this way but you have to admire his willingness to sacrifice for his beliefs.Liokault said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Liokault said:
Ok, I have never been to sub Saharan Africa, so I only frame my reference through the news outlets and the South Africans I have met (all white), but are we at a point where we can say it was better, generally, during apartheid than it is now?
I discussed this with a Zimbabwean friend a while ago- he genuinely feels that it's better to be massively oppressed by fellow blacks than to be less oppressed by whites. It might be racist for him to feel this way but you have to admire his willingness to sacrifice for his beliefs.What you're seeing in SA is what you would be seeing in the US had Trump managed to stay in power for nearly 10 years before finally being thrown out of office - by that stage he would have been able - as Zuma has done - to comprehensively subvert portions of the state apparatus for his own benefit through patronage and corruption, and built parallel power structures loyal to himself alone, outside of the political body he ostensibly represents. When finally booted out, bloody mayhem occurs as those supporters fight tooth and nail to keep their influence.
However, what you're not seeing is a mass movement in SA calling for the reinstatement of apartheid because "things were better then", no matter how much you might like to see one.
Edited by eharding on Sunday 18th July 15:02
eharding said:
Liokault said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Liokault said:
Ok, I have never been to sub Saharan Africa, so I only frame my reference through the news outlets and the South Africans I have met (all white), but are we at a point where we can say it was better, generally, during apartheid than it is now?
I discussed this with a Zimbabwean friend a while ago- he genuinely feels that it's better to be massively oppressed by fellow blacks than to be less oppressed by whites. It might be racist for him to feel this way but you have to admire his willingness to sacrifice for his beliefs.What you're seeing in SA is what you would be seeing in the US had Trump managed to stay in power for nearly 10 years before finally being thrown out of office - by that stage he would have been able - as Zuma has done - to comprehensively subvert portions of the state apparatus for his own benefit through patronage and corruption, and built parallel power structures loyal to himself alone, outside of the political body he ostensibly represents. When finally booted out, bloody mayhem occurs as those supporters fight tooth and nail to keep their influence.
However, what you're not seeing is a mass movement in SA calling for the reinstatement of apartheid because "things were better then", no matter how much you might like to see one.
Edited by eharding on Sunday 18th July 15:02
Liokault said:
It must be great to live a totally black and white life (pun intended), without any nuance.
More fun, I suspect, than wishing you were living in a totally white life, and not having to deal with the nuances anyway.Do you think bringing back apartheid would make SA, or the world in general, a better place?
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