Cost cap and car damage
Discussion
With the current cost cap in place and reducing in years to come, in the light of the huge costs to repair cars after a big shunt, wouldn't it make sense for the car to be to be repaired without a cost cap being involved.
I'm not saying who's fault the Bottas/Russell crash or the Hamilton/Verstappen was, but it seems like an innocent(ish) party could be unfairly compromised on what are much tighter budgets. There could be put in place a limit on the cap waiver and an agreed damage lower limit by the scrutineers so wear and tear items cant be changed unless damaged beyond repair.
Just a thought and I'm sure there will be a few comments and ideas, not that the FIA will care, lol.
I'm not saying who's fault the Bottas/Russell crash or the Hamilton/Verstappen was, but it seems like an innocent(ish) party could be unfairly compromised on what are much tighter budgets. There could be put in place a limit on the cap waiver and an agreed damage lower limit by the scrutineers so wear and tear items cant be changed unless damaged beyond repair.
Just a thought and I'm sure there will be a few comments and ideas, not that the FIA will care, lol.
The teams will make a big fuss about the cost of damage, but they would have already spent money to produce spares regardless of crash damage.
I guess actual $$ spent, may depend on where parts are in their life cycle. Writing off brand new suspension or bodywork in a crash may mean they have to produce more later in the year, rather than stuff that would be scrapped after that race anyway.
They will already have spare chassis/tubs, suspension, bodywork, wheels etc that's been transported all over the world.
I guess actual $$ spent, may depend on where parts are in their life cycle. Writing off brand new suspension or bodywork in a crash may mean they have to produce more later in the year, rather than stuff that would be scrapped after that race anyway.
They will already have spare chassis/tubs, suspension, bodywork, wheels etc that's been transported all over the world.
Also bare in mind that the FIA are able at their discretion to agree extra budget allowance under special discretion - as yet the limit of such discretion had not been tested.
But don't be surprised if a lot of the noise from TP's about the high costs they suffer is at least part in preparation for a potential request for budget compensation down the line. For example, had the stewards decided blame was entirely on Lewis then Horner just might have started pushing the angle with the FIA to get a little extra £££
But don't be surprised if a lot of the noise from TP's about the high costs they suffer is at least part in preparation for a potential request for budget compensation down the line. For example, had the stewards decided blame was entirely on Lewis then Horner just might have started pushing the angle with the FIA to get a little extra £££
Should they be allocated extra cash for repairs? No! The budget cap probably only affect the top 5-teams.
The teams are racing last year’s tubs and substantially last years cars. Mercedes had 4 but lost one in Imola. I understood Toto’s grievance, but the rules are sensible. Doing that involves reallocating manufacturing resources away from next year’s car - the material cost is small, in comparison.
No doubt RB may need to build an extra tub, but half the season has now gone, so perhaps 1-extra will be sufficient.
The teams are racing last year’s tubs and substantially last years cars. Mercedes had 4 but lost one in Imola. I understood Toto’s grievance, but the rules are sensible. Doing that involves reallocating manufacturing resources away from next year’s car - the material cost is small, in comparison.
No doubt RB may need to build an extra tub, but half the season has now gone, so perhaps 1-extra will be sufficient.
andygo said:
What a great idea, lets tell them all not to crash - easier said than done at 180mph. It's like the reason why soldeirs go to war - it will never happen to them.
As Toto said, it takes two to tango. Every driver knows that there is a chance that they could end up in the barrier when they stick a wheel in front on the corner, so surely they have to budget for that if they want to go racing? Any team who sets their yearly budget out based on no total losses are surely plain stupid?
cholo said:
As Toto said, it takes two to tango. Every driver knows that there is a chance that they could end up in the barrier when they stick a wheel in front on the corner, so surely they have to budget for that if they want to go racing? Any team who sets their yearly budget out based on no total losses are surely plain stupid?
On the other hand, they would be a bit stupid driving like miss Daisy and having a few mill unspent at the end of the season that they could have spent on development and can't carry forward to the next season..And even if they drove like miss Daisy, there's still the issue of getting involved in someone else's accident.
It’s part of racing, and in other series it’s usually the driver who pays the bill for accident damage. I wonder if F1 teams might get insurance against accidents, but the assessment process would be more difficult for prototype are made by the team themselves, rather than with cars from Dallara or Porsche.
Red Bull’s biggest worry this afternoon, is if they can get the restricted PU components out of that wreck in something approaching a serviceable condition. Sporting penalties are much worse than financial ones!
Red Bull’s biggest worry this afternoon, is if they can get the restricted PU components out of that wreck in something approaching a serviceable condition. Sporting penalties are much worse than financial ones!
james_TW said:
Idiot question here - If a car is totally destroyed and the team has used their allocated engine/gearbox, are they then penalised?
Short answer - yes. They’re only allowed three engines during the season (and limited numbers of other PU components), if they use a fourth one they’re penalised, irrespective of the reasons why.
Horner says the crash at Silverstone has cost RB $1.8m.
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