Liverpool stripped of World Heritage status
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Building a football stadium over a historic dock that was part of the reason they got UNESCO World Heritage status in the first place. They're a bit dim up there aren't they. The whole reason is the history and they are building over it.
BBC said:
"Our World Heritage site has never been in better condition having benefitted from hundreds of millions of pounds of investment across dozens of listed buildings and the public realm," Joanne Anderson said.
It's clearly not just the buildings then that got the city the status, or other cities with old listed buildings would too.BBC said:
"I find it incomprehensible that Unesco would rather Bramley Moore Dock remain a derelict wasteland, rather than making a positive contribution to the city's future and that of its residents," she said.
She really doesn't get it does she.
FourWheelDrift said:
Building a football stadium over a historic dock that was part of the reason they got UNESCO World Heritage status in the first place. They're a bit dim up there aren't they. The whole reason is the history and they are building over it.
Er, the Bramley Moore Dock is in a state of disrepair and isn't in an area any tourists visit. It is very much an eyesore. What do you suggest ? Just leave it to eventually crumble and fall into The Mersey ?BBC said:
"Our World Heritage site has never been in better condition having benefitted from hundreds of millions of pounds of investment across dozens of listed buildings and the public realm," Joanne Anderson said.
It's clearly not just the buildings then that got the city the status, or other cities with old listed buildings would too.BBC said:
"I find it incomprehensible that Unesco would rather Bramley Moore Dock remain a derelict wasteland, rather than making a positive contribution to the city's future and that of its residents," she said.
She really doesn't get it does she.The World Heritage tag largely applies to the waterfront - The Liver, Cunard and Port of Liverpool buildings and The Albert Dock.
If you must criticise then it is probably better to know at least something about the area you are talking about.
Maximus Decimus Meridius said:
Er, the Bramley Moore Dock is in a state of disrepair and isn't in an area any tourists visit. It is very much an eyesore. What do you suggest ? Just leave it to eventually crumble and fall into The Mersey ?
The World Heritage tag largely applies to the waterfront - The Liver, Cunard and Port of Liverpool buildings and The Albert Dock.
If you must criticise then it is probably better to know at least something about the area you are talking about.
Exactly. The whole water front was a mess. Now they have totally renovated the area it is now a nice place to visit. Should they have left it as a complete mess? At least they’d have a heritage status which means nothing …The World Heritage tag largely applies to the waterfront - The Liver, Cunard and Port of Liverpool buildings and The Albert Dock.
If you must criticise then it is probably better to know at least something about the area you are talking about.
I mean look at this beautiful industrial setting the world heritage is aiming to save.
Edited by fiatpower on Wednesday 21st July 12:29
fiatpower said:
Maximus Decimus Meridius said:
Er, the Bramley Moore Dock is in a state of disrepair and isn't in an area any tourists visit. It is very much an eyesore. What do you suggest ? Just leave it to eventually crumble and fall into The Mersey ?
The World Heritage tag largely applies to the waterfront - The Liver, Cunard and Port of Liverpool buildings and The Albert Dock.
If you must criticise then it is probably better to know at least something about the area you are talking about.
Exactly. The whole water front was a mess. Now they have totally renovated the area it is now a nice place to visit. Should they have left it as a complete mess? At least they’d have a heritage status which means nothing …The World Heritage tag largely applies to the waterfront - The Liver, Cunard and Port of Liverpool buildings and The Albert Dock.
If you must criticise then it is probably better to know at least something about the area you are talking about.
Likewise The Albert Dock. What appears to be happening is that the area to the north of this (which is largely derelict) is now being developed with the additions of the Everton stadium and a new terminal building for The Isle of Man ferry.
I don't see this as a reason to criticise the developers, the council or remove World Heritage status.
Slightly further north and you have very busy working docks.
What benefits to a location does World Heritage status confer? Is it just the name, or do they get grants or similar?
I've visited a few UNESCO designated WH places over the years, but I went to them because there was something I wanted to see - the Pantheon when in Rome or they because I had been recommended that it was a beautiful place - Plitvice Lakes in Croatia comes to mind.
Would have gone to either of these regardless of any UNESCO recognition, didn't even realise that they were WH sites at the time (although the Pantheon would have been obvious in retrospect if it had crossed my mind).
I've visited a few UNESCO designated WH places over the years, but I went to them because there was something I wanted to see - the Pantheon when in Rome or they because I had been recommended that it was a beautiful place - Plitvice Lakes in Croatia comes to mind.
Would have gone to either of these regardless of any UNESCO recognition, didn't even realise that they were WH sites at the time (although the Pantheon would have been obvious in retrospect if it had crossed my mind).
OzzyR1 said:
What benefits to a location does World Heritage status confer? Is it just the name, or do they get grants or similar?
If the status and being placed on the list makes it a must-visit/add to the short-list place for international tourists then it will have a not insignificant impact. I can well assume when you move away from the big hitter and obvious locations (London, Edinburgh, Cotswolds, Bath etc.) people from China, HK, USA, UAE (tourists with the deepest pockets who like to spend) probably do use such lists to decide where they want to visit.fiatpower said:
Exactly. The whole water front was a mess. Now they have totally renovated the area it is now a nice place to visit. Should they have left it as a complete mess? At least they’d have a heritage status which means nothing …
I mean look at this beautiful industrial setting the world heritage is aiming to save.
But whether it is a mess or not that is the heritage, a crumbly old docks. If you want to get rid of it and replace it with an identikit modern football stadium then fine, but the heritage has now been lost.I mean look at this beautiful industrial setting the world heritage is aiming to save.
Edited by fiatpower on Wednesday 21st July 12:29
cb31 said:
But whether it is a mess or not that is the heritage, a crumbly old docks. If you want to get rid of it and replace it with an identikit modern football stadium then fine, but the heritage has now been lost.
In fairness to Everton it is far from an identikit stadium and I say that as a Liverpool fan. It is in my opinion in keeping with the brick facade warehouses surrounding it. As part of the construction they are also renovating the surrounding dock walls, a grade 2 listed hydraulic tower and an old tramline system. Absolutely bonkers decision by Unesco.cb31 said:
But whether it is a mess or not that is the heritage, a crumbly old docks. If you want to get rid of it and replace it with an identikit modern football stadium then fine, but the heritage has now been lost.
If you want to see old docks then go to The Albert Dock. This area was renovated decades ago and retained the old (listed) warehouse buildings. There are museums, restaurants, bars, lots of history.Bramley Moore dock is nothing more than a derelict site. There isn't much there.
The rest of the docks like this were modernised years ago. Why retain a derelict site with not much there where nobody goes ?
The area surrounding Bramley Moore dock is heavily industrialised and a bit grim. It isn't a tourist attraction.
Edited by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Wednesday 21st July 14:44
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